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darkrider2

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Re: Better than Democracy?
« Reply #150 on: October 15, 2013, 09:02:51 am »

It's however, a bureaucratic nightmare, and quite susceptible to fraud.
So nothing out of the ordinary?  :P

Aristotle said he thought Monarchy was the best form of government.
He also thought the Earth was the center of the solar system.

*cough*

Man I'm really liking that Liquid Democracy thing.

One of the big complaints (among many) about the current system (USA) is people don't feel like they have much of a choice (either by way of "Neither party fits my views" or the increasingly Nihilistic "Both parties are shit, what can you do"), the sheer influx of choices with something like Liquid Democracy would be fresh and new, and possibly get more people involved. Of course, if you still don't care you can just delegate your vote off to some shmuck you saw on the TV, or just not vote.

It's like the crowd funding of democratic systems. <---- poor analogy, deal with it
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Re: Better than Democracy?
« Reply #151 on: October 15, 2013, 12:28:06 pm »

Aristotle said he thought Monarchy was the best form of government.
To clarify this:

Aristotle made a difference between two forms of goverment: those who tried to benefit the people ("pure"), and those who tried to benefit the governor ("impure")

He called the "pure" form of unipersonal goverment "monarchy", while he dubbed the "impure" one "tyranny"

He also called the "pure" form of pluripersonal goverment "aristocracy", while the "impure" one was called by him "oligarchy"

Then he called the pure form of the goverment of the people "politia", while, curiously, he dubbed the "impure" one as "democracy" (some versions say that he used the word "demagoguery")

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Re: Better than Democracy?
« Reply #152 on: October 15, 2013, 12:32:05 pm »

Aristotle said he thought Monarchy was the best form of government.
To clarify this:

Aristotle made a difference between two forms of goverment: those who tried to benefit the people ("pure"), and those who tried to benefit the governor ("impure")

He called the "pure" form of unipersonal goverment "monarchy", while he dubbed the "impure" one "tyranny"

He also called the "pure" form of pluripersonal goverment "aristocracy", while the "impure" one was called by him "oligarchy"

Then he called the pure form of the goverment of the people "politia", while, curiously, he dubbed the "impure" one as "democracy" (some versions say that he used the word "demagoguery")
language. U crazy.

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Re: Better than Democracy?
« Reply #153 on: October 15, 2013, 12:35:04 pm »

Aristotle said he thought Monarchy was the best form of government.
To clarify this:

Aristotle made a difference between two forms of goverment: those who tried to benefit the people ("pure"), and those who tried to benefit the governor ("impure")

He called the "pure" form of unipersonal goverment "monarchy", while he dubbed the "impure" one "tyranny"

He also called the "pure" form of pluripersonal goverment "aristocracy", while the "impure" one was called by him "oligarchy"

Then he called the pure form of the goverment of the people "politia", while, curiously, he dubbed the "impure" one as "democracy" (some versions say that he used the word "demagoguery")
language. U crazy.
I translated this from Spanish, bear in mind that, but I used the exact words.

Anyway, it's just a matter of names, and the important fact was that he didn't think about efficient systems, but just classified them regarding their honestity.

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Re: Better than Democracy?
« Reply #154 on: October 15, 2013, 07:56:21 pm »

All that aside, appealing to Aristotle is as bad or worse than appealing to religion. It isn't just an appeal to authority, but it's an appeal to an authority from a school of thought which shuns the sort of experimental verification we use to, you know, actually solve problems. Most of what he says is blatantly false, and is often posited on a basis of little more than 'this is how I think things should be, therefore they are.' He made some contributions to the philosophy which would, about 2000 years later, become the scientific method. But he didn't have the scientific method any more than the inventor of fractional numbers had calculus. As a result, any claims he makes are no less subject to scrutiny than anything a random internet person says; even more so, in fact, since nearly everyone on the internet is at least familiar with the basics of the scientific method and empiricism.
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