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[Talvara]

edit2:Guess I'll spoiler my thoughts on the backstory aswell.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

okay... so silver mechanism on night howls back... silver shard we have in glass...

Heres what I think, Incognito was 'THE hero' that was destined to get Chemista, but things changed somehow and Knighthowl is still lagging behind on the entire ordeal, This thought had been nagging in my head since the Asylum where Nighthowl mumbled about THE hero...

If this is true... then KnightHowl sees Incognito as a friend and I've got the feeling hes the overly loyal (dog) type, maybe we can use this to get the drop on him? see if revealing ourselves to him sparks anything in the Hero even if it means nothing to us.

edit: further rambling,

so Chemista just 'found' us with convenient amnesia... KnightHowl lost his friend and wants to avenge THE HERO, he thinks Chemista is responsible for the disappearance of THE HERO and I think he's right. The silver shard and the silver mechanism is just another tie that seems to indicate a shared past.

I don't think Chemista is/was playing us, I think she truly stopped being the Overlord and Incognito truly changed from being THE HERO into the new Overlord

/end rambling

anyway... my preference goes to final stand (maybe even send German out of the room, he really just muddies up the narrative in my eyes)

[javierpwn]

Aren't we automatically a step above Heroic Heroes?
Get German out of the room, attempt final stand

[Vash_M87]

Oh boy... dat dice roll...
Well, assuming his offensive bonuses were 1 per day kind of thing (hopefully), and that we still dont know what kind of bonuses WE have for combat. We could try and make a last stand, given that most are morally inclined to care for Cerulean.
My opinion would be to let him through, but instead of escaping, stealthly following him into the next room, and engaging him by surprise while his attention is on confronting Chemista.

Spoiler with my guesses on the storyline so far:

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My guess is, Chemista was the overlord that defeated THE hero back in the day, and managed to escape/forge her death. Knighthowl was the sidekick for THE hero. We were THE hero, but our mind was destroyed in the fight with chemista, which in turn saw potential in our memory-less dying-self and then rescued/trained us for Overlordship. Knighthowl in turn was utterly broken by watching THE hero fall along with the Overlord(chemista) and was later turned into a HEROIC hero by the hero sindicate or whatever.

Though i will not oppose if majority wishes to escape, I will oppose fighting in this room.

[10ebbor10]

She's not. Not that she's the one you're looking for. As I'm certain you know by now, this base is little more than a decoy, armed with a pittifull garnison to distract you from the true fighting force.  The attack on the city did not originate here. By this time, you shouldn't be able to trace them anymore. Since I'm going to die however, why don't tell me your story.What are you in for? Heroes rarely fight for good, after all.

((Also, no Mister Wuffles...

On a side note, he wasn't such a good fighter: Guatfish an our necromanced thingy were better.))

Aren't we automatically a step above Heroic Heroes?
Get German out of the room, attempt final stand

We're equal to heroic hero; IIRC.

[Kashyyk]

I agree with all dat spoilered stuff. I have no idea whaty path we should take however.

[javierpwn]

My guess is that she used the last of her Mindium on us, and constantly uses it to keep us corrupted

[Vash_M87]

My guess is that she used the last of her Mindium on us, and constantly uses it to keep us corrupted

I dont think so, she actually stopped being an Overlord because there was no more Mindium anywhere. Else she would've found it and continue onward with her Evil plots. Do agree she used her last supply of mindium to fuck our mind up.

[Eotyrannus]

Be utterly confused for a moment, then back into Overlordface.

"I would like a quick word before I do anything. I am unlikely to let you past, as my adopted daughter Cerulean is in the same room as Chemista, but I will let you give your argument. I woke up roughly seven days ago, dragged out of the ocean by Chemista. She trained me to be an efficient Evil Overlord, with or without her. Before those seven days, I haven't a single memory." Hold up the Shard. "This, apart from the mask and cowl, is all I woke up with. I see a remarkable similarity between this and that metal on your back. So, there's one thing I want you to tell me. The truth. And why Heroes are so willing to torture a 12-year-old on live television, or tear through forces like their lives are meaningless, or let an Overlord burn for five days before they are finished off."

If he says something implying we're stalling, reply that there's not a single exit in that room, as far as we know.

[Tomcost]

Well, fluff time! Exposition! Plot stuff in general! Don't do a last stance, because there is the possibility of Chemista fucking our mind to do this.

[Talvara]

No dialog except for "German... Leave, This is my fight" *point to the door while keeping a steely gaze on Knighthowl*

when German is gone we'll remove our Cog mask throw it aside and make our robe flap dramatically in the draft.

If what we think about the backstory is true, KnightHowl should react to our visage. (possibly giving him some nasty negatives in the process). and we should have a shot at defeating the traumatised Hero.

when we're done (assuming we win ) and put the Cogmask back on just say "you came chasing the wrong foe... for I am the overlord INCOGNITO! mwahahahahahaha"

[Eotyrannus]

No dialog except for "German... Leave, This is my fight" *point to the door while keeping a steely gaze on Knighthowl*

when German is gone we'll remove our Cog mask throw it aside and make our robe flap dramatically in the draft.

If what we think about the backstory is true, KnightHowl should react to our visage. (possibly giving him some nasty negatives in the process). and we should have a shot at defeating the traumatised Hero.

when we're done (assuming we win ) and put the Cogmask back on just say "you came chasing the wrong foe... for I am the overlord INCOGNITO! mwahahahahahaha"

If we do that, we won't have a clue what's going on here! Although I approve of dramatic mask removal if we're about to fight.

[Vash_M87]

No dialog except for "German... Leave, This is my fight" *point to the door while keeping a steely gaze on Knighthowl*

when German is gone we'll remove our Cog mask throw it aside and make our robe flap dramatically in the draft.

If what we think about the backstory is true, KnightHowl should react to our visage. (possibly giving him some nasty negatives in the process). and we should have a shot at defeating the traumatised Hero.

when we're done (assuming we win ) and put the Cogmask back on just say "you came chasing the wrong foe... for I am the overlord INCOGNITO! mwahahahahahaha"

If we do that, we won't have a clue what's going on here! Although I approve of dramatic mask removal if we're about to fight.

If we do that, there will be a dialog. For sure. That should be enough to give us clues/facts to be able to get the truth out of Chemista.
But i really dont think we should fight there. Knighthowl Confrontation with Chemista would probably reveal all the relevant facts on the plot. And after satisfying our thrist for the truth we could decide on fighting or escaping or whatever else.

[Eotyrannus]

No dialog except for "German... Leave, This is my fight" *point to the door while keeping a steely gaze on Knighthowl*

when German is gone we'll remove our Cog mask throw it aside and make our robe flap dramatically in the draft.

If what we think about the backstory is true, KnightHowl should react to our visage. (possibly giving him some nasty negatives in the process). and we should have a shot at defeating the traumatised Hero.

when we're done (assuming we win ) and put the Cogmask back on just say "you came chasing the wrong foe... for I am the overlord INCOGNITO! mwahahahahahaha"

If we do that, we won't have a clue what's going on here! Although I approve of dramatic mask removal if we're about to fight.

If we do that, there will be a dialog. For sure. That should be enough to give us clues/facts to be able to get the truth out of Chemista.
But i really dont think we should fight there. Knighthowl Confrontation with Chemista would probably reveal all the relevant facts on the plot. And after satisfying our thrist for the truth we could decide on fighting or escaping or whatever else.

This really hinges on if we were THE hero, if we're willing to get revenge on Chemista for something we don't even remember, and if we can get Cerulean out safely. Third one, mainly. If we can't get Cerulean out safely, we are going to get this shard of metal and we are going to stick it straight through his eyeballs.

[Talvara]

No dialog except for "German... Leave, This is my fight" *point to the door while keeping a steely gaze on Knighthowl*

when German is gone we'll remove our Cog mask throw it aside and make our robe flap dramatically in the draft.

If what we think about the backstory is true, KnightHowl should react to our visage. (possibly giving him some nasty negatives in the process). and we should have a shot at defeating the traumatised Hero.

when we're done (assuming we win ) and put the Cogmask back on just say "you came chasing the wrong foe... for I am the overlord INCOGNITO! mwahahahahahaha"

If we do that, we won't have a clue what's going on here! Although I approve of dramatic mask removal if we're about to fight.

I'd say the past is irrelevant, whoever we were we aren't any more. Incognito is Incognito. and the way KnightHowl reacts should tell us plenty about the situation. who knows maybe he'll even go into a Hero monologue.

Going into a expositing monologoue of our own ranks pretty high on things you shouldnt do as the big bad overlord (really nothing good ever comes from an explanatory monologue) http://www.chaosmatrix.org/library/humor/evilovl.html

[Eotyrannus]

Well, I said we were being trained to become an independent Overlord, instead of 'I AM OVERLORD MUAHAHAHAHA!'. Perhaps be a bit vaguer than that.