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Author Topic: You are a Skeletal Dragon [ASG] - The Fifth Reckoning is Upon Us!  (Read 31064 times)

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Re: You are a Skeletal Dragon [ASG] - Brave New World
« Reply #165 on: July 14, 2013, 08:13:02 pm »

Hmm, which makes me want to ask something else: what color are our bones?
Also, jeez, what's the state of the clouds 'round here? Open sky or what?

Cannon? Why would they hurt us?! We're friendly! Surely if we just get a hold of their captain, we can explain our situation and have a good chat.

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We aren't a sky mariner, we don't pay attention to how clouds behave, therefore we don't know how we should behave to stay hidden. Merely by following them we could be doing something obvious and stupid.

Nope, he didn't say they were coming at us, he said they were flying 'rather nearby'. The map isn't exactly clear on z-level either.

If I were an aerial marine, I'd shoot the cloud first and ask questions later. Clouds have no bus'nuss behaving loik that one there.

On the other hand, why bother not being a cloud if being a cloud is better?
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Re: You are a Skeletal Dragon [ASG] - Brave New World
« Reply #166 on: July 14, 2013, 08:16:18 pm »

Cannon? Why would they hurt us?! We're friendly! Surely if we just get a hold of their captain, we can explain our situation and have a good chat.
If I were an aerial marine, I'd shoot the cloud first and ask questions later. Clouds have no bus'nuss behaving loik that one there.
((I'm pretty sure an ice encrusted skeletal dragon that has been modified with extra bones would be immediately seen as far more threatening than a cloud.))
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Re: You are a Skeletal Dragon [ASG] - Brave New World
« Reply #167 on: July 14, 2013, 08:18:59 pm »

[fearful]Not to an aerial marine.[/fearful]

(Assuming we're spotted, & there is contention as to which is easier to spot *cough*cloud*cough*)
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Re: You are a Skeletal Dragon [ASG] - Brave New World
« Reply #168 on: July 14, 2013, 08:21:05 pm »

((A cloud is easier to spot but just as easy to dismiss. A two-tailed ice-encrusted skeletal dragon that is close to the size of a house isn't exactly inconspicuous. Additionally, if they attack the cloud, we can just stop our spell and fly away while they shoot at the cloud that is left behind.))
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Re: You are a Skeletal Dragon [ASG] - Brave New World
« Reply #169 on: July 14, 2013, 08:25:15 pm »

@gwg
We aren't a sky mariner, we don't pay attention to how clouds behave, therefore we don't know how we should behave to stay hidden. Merely by following them we could be doing something obvious and stupid.
We could watch clouds, go with them. If we were trying, it would be neither obviously stupid nor stupidly obvious.

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Nope, he didn't say they were coming at us, he said they were flying 'rather nearby'. The map isn't exactly clear on z-level either.
They sure seem to be coming near...although that lack of z-level is annoying...still, it wouldn't be that large if they were a mile away, now would it?

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If I were an aerial marine, I'd shoot the cloud first and ask questions later. Clouds have no bus'nuss behaving loik that one there.
Remind me never to hire you as an aerial marine.
"Why did you waste the gunpowder and cannonball/ballista bolt/whatever?"
"That cloud is following us!"
"You idiot, it's the wind! Don't fire unless you have some reason to believe that it is dangerous and able to be affected by our weapons!"
Because seriously, what kind of cloud would be affected by weapons?
On the other hand, if we were an icy skeletal dragon, we'd be an obvious and immediate threat, and hence worth firing on immediately. Not to mention, obviously affectable by weapons...

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On the other hand, why bother not being a cloud if being a cloud is better?
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How so?

[fearful]Not to an aerial marine.[/fearful]

(Assuming we're spotted, & there is contention as to which is easier to spot *cough*cloud*cough*)
Not true.
"Hey, look, a shiny thing!" (Ice is shiny when clean. And kinda shiny when dirty.) "Oh, look, it is a dragon-shaped shiny thing with a skeleton in the middle! I bet it's some kind of threat!"
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"Hey, look, that cloud isn't exactly like the rest of the clouds. Must be turbulence or something. Certainly not worth wasting the gunners' time about."
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Re: You are a Skeletal Dragon [ASG] - Brave New World
« Reply #170 on: July 14, 2013, 08:29:28 pm »

On second thought, we could just construct a swarm of ice constructs to disassemble ourselves and rearrange the bones into a winged humanoid figure that is filled with bones and reinforced by magical ice. Then we could just introduce ourselves as a necromancer.
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Re: You are a Skeletal Dragon [ASG] - Brave New World
« Reply #171 on: July 14, 2013, 08:41:13 pm »

These guys live up there; if we don't behave exactly like a cloud should, they'll be able to pick us out as strange.
Let's go for the extreme case- if it's an open sky, our bones are bleached-white (or somehow blue) and our ice is pure-transparent, a house-sized dragon at medium/long range is going to be a lot more difficult to spot than an apartment-complex cloud that's following your ship. It'll also be easier to stay in their blind spot, (assuming the balloon is a blindspot).



I reiterate not worrying about them unless they're coming at us.


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Btw, dwarves exist, so dwarven skymarines is almost undeniably a thing.
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Re: You are a Skeletal Dragon [ASG] - Brave New World
« Reply #172 on: July 14, 2013, 08:58:20 pm »

Fly back to the starting area. Make our ice-coating disassemble us and reassemble us in a normal-sized humanoid form with wings. Try and have as much bone in us as possible. Coat ourselves with ice. Try and use magic to make the ice as flesh-like as possible. Create a chest and store the excess bone.
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Re: You are a Skeletal Dragon [ASG] - Brave New World
« Reply #173 on: July 14, 2013, 09:01:56 pm »

These guys live up there; if we don't behave exactly like a cloud should, they'll be able to pick us out as strange.
These guys have brains; if we show up as an ice-covered dragon skeletons, they'll know we're strange and dangerous immediately, without the time taken to observe our movements for a while or for that matter pick us out from the surrounding cloud.

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Let's go for the extreme case- if it's an open sky, our bones are bleached-white (or somehow blue) and our ice is pure-transparent, a house-sized dragon at medium/long range is going to be a lot more difficult to spot than an apartment-complex cloud that's following your ship. It'll also be easier to stay in their blind spot, (assuming the balloon is a blindspot).
It'd like to note that that's the extreme best case for you. Of course it'll be better.
I'm assuming that there are clouds in the sky, because there are almost always clouds in the sky. If we stay next to or perhaps partly in a cloud, we'd be completely invisible. Even if not, a cloud isn't an immediate cause for worry, even if it's not acting exactly like a cloud. And we do have margin for error--these sky-sailors know they're just human, and anyways are going to be scanning the sky for anything of note, not staring at individual clouds and trying to see if this random cloud is moving a bit differently than clouds normally do.
And how would a cloud-cloaked dragon be easier to hide in the blind spot than a non-cloud-cloaked dragon? I'm not sure we could significantly increase our apparent size if we tried.

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I reiterate not worrying about them unless they're coming at us.
They're coming within spitting distance of our house. Traffic like this is worth investigating.

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We could watch clouds, go with them. If we were trying, it would be neither obviously stupid nor stupidly obvious.
We won't be able to read them like they can, we aren't a mariner. We dont' have the qualifications yo.
On the other hand, as I noted above, they're not going to know to look at Cloud X for any minor abnormalities...they're going to be looking for threats. Like dragons. What is it that we would be doing that attracts immediate and obvious attention?

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They sure seem to be coming near...although that lack of z-level is annoying...still, it wouldn't be that large if they were a mile away, now would it?
Unless they're a mile-long...
Oh come on now.

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Remind me never to hire you as an aerial marine.
"Why did you waste the gunpowder and cannonball/ballista bolt/whatever?"
"That cloud is following us!"
"You idiot, it's the wind! Don't fire unless you have some reason to believe that it is dangerous and able to be affected by our weapons!"
Because seriously, what kind of cloud would be affected by weapons?
On the other hand, if we were an icy skeletal dragon, we'd be an obvious and immediate threat, and hence worth firing on immediately. Not to mention, obviously affectable by weapons...
I delight in this conversation.
More like
"Why did you waste the gunpowder and cannonball/ballista bolt/whatever?"
"That cloud is following us!"
"Holy shite it is! BY GOD SHOOT IT SOME MORE!"
Because seriously, what kind of cloud would be affected by weapons?
Strange cluuds.
1. Oh, come on. That would require there to be a sentry that's watching a specific cloud for no particular reason, and a captain who believes and trusts in this sentry's honesty and sanity enough to believe in a flying cloud.
2. Most strange clouds are still clouds. Clouds are made of water vapor/droplets and other little things floating in the air, and won't be affected by shooting them. This is true of all clouds--normal clouds, storm clouds, demon-possessed clouds, clouds of poison gas, clouds of smoke, clouds of nitrogen caused by warming liquid nitrogen, etc.
3. A dragon is likely to be noticed and fired at immediately, because it is a freaking dragon.

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How so?
Being a cloud usually isn't better than the alternative, which makes the quote exotic. Does OOC stuff have to involve macerated ass or something?
What?
Looking like a cloud is less conspicuous than looking like a dragon, you haven't explained how this is OOC (or untrue).

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Not true.
"Hey, look, a shiny thing!" (Ice is shiny when clean. And kinda shiny when dirty.) "Oh, look, it is a dragon-shaped shiny thing with a skeleton in the middle! I bet it's some kind of threat!"
Vs:
"Hey, look, that cloud isn't exactly like the rest of the clouds. Must be turbulence or something. Certainly not worth wasting the gunners' time about."
You obviously haven't met a sky mehreen. I am an expert on these things.
That's because they don't exist. You're as much an expert on sky "mehreens" as I am on, say, stars orbiting Jupiter.
I'm assuming these "sky mehreens" will be able to identify a dragon, which is made of a combination of bone and ice that is either shiny or opaque, as a threat as well as "quite unusual" immediately, and that they do not deal with clouds that look like they could be acting a bit unusual by shooting at them the moment they're seen. Because I'm assuming that they have typical human/oid senses, sanity, and sentience.

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Btw, dwarves exist, so dwarven skymarines is almost undeniably a thing.
...So many problems with that statement.

Fly back to the starting area. Create a swarm of golems. Make the golems disassemble us and reassemble us in a normal-sized humanoid form with wings. Try and have as much bone in us as possible. Coat ourselves with ice. Create a chest and store the excess bone.
-1, aside from being time-consuming enough that we could lose them, it also sounds dangerous.
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Re: You are a Skeletal Dragon [ASG] - Brave New World
« Reply #174 on: July 14, 2013, 09:04:49 pm »

((Edited my post. Rather than the time-consuming golem creation process, we just manipulate the ice on our bones to do that instead. It's quicker, easier and will allow us to be less conspicuous and slightly less terrifying.))
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Re: You are a Skeletal Dragon [ASG] - Brave New World
« Reply #175 on: July 14, 2013, 09:11:10 pm »

1. That doesn't solve the issue of breaking us down and building us back up into a humanoid form being potentially dangerous.
2. We'd be a dragon-sized dragonman with a dragon-shaped head. Made of ice and bones. How is that less scary?
3. Why are you using parentheses?
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Re: You are a Skeletal Dragon [ASG] - Brave New World
« Reply #176 on: July 14, 2013, 09:31:20 pm »

I'm not even sure what we're arguing about at this point. Some people want to hide in a cloud. Some want to hide in the blind spot. Some want to telepathically surveil the crew of the airship.

So...

Fly above the airship and hide in a cloud in its blind spot and telepathically surveil the crew.

Everyone happy?

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Re: You are a Skeletal Dragon [ASG] - Brave New World
« Reply #177 on: July 14, 2013, 09:40:04 pm »

1. That doesn't solve the issue of breaking us down and building us back up into a humanoid form being potentially dangerous.
2. We'd be a dragon-sized dragonman with a dragon-shaped head. Made of ice and bones. How is that less scary?
3. Why are you using parentheses?
1. It shouldn't be that dangerous since we could progressively rearrange bones piee by piece, ensuring that for each step in the process, our body can still function.
2. We can have our skull in our chest and use a human skull as a head and see through that. We could always wear an ice mask in front of it as well.
3. Just a habit from ER.
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Re: You are a Skeletal Dragon [ASG] - Brave New World
« Reply #178 on: July 14, 2013, 09:51:23 pm »

I'm not even sure what we're arguing about at this point. Some people want to hide in a cloud. Some want to hide in the blind spot. Some want to telepathically surveil the crew of the airship.

So...

Fly above the airship and hide in a cloud in its blind spot and telepathically surveil the crew.

Everyone happy?
That sounds good to me.
(For the record, the only thing I was actively opposing was not concealing ourself in a cloud. Well, and silly plans like:)

1. That doesn't solve the issue of breaking us down and building us back up into a humanoid form being potentially dangerous.
2. We'd be a dragon-sized dragonman with a dragon-shaped head. Made of ice and bones. How is that less scary?
3. Why are you using parentheses?
1. It shouldn't be that dangerous since we could progressively rearrange bones piee by piece, ensuring that for each step in the process, our body can still function.
2. We can have our skull in our chest and use a human skull as a head and see through that. We could always wear an ice mask in front of it as well.
3. Just a habit from ER.
1. I still don't think that the danger is worth it when we're on a time crunch.
2. Oh, yes, giant man made of ice with no obvious draconic attributes, unless they can see the draconic skull in our chest and the rest of the bones too. Much less scary.
3. It's good for OOC talk, but there really isn't such here.
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Re: You are a Skeletal Dragon [ASG] - Brave New World
« Reply #179 on: July 14, 2013, 09:52:37 pm »

We can always cover it up with armor, bones and ice.
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