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[Leafsnail]

Fixed version of the second half of that post:

Lenglon claims he saw Toaster targeting you last night.  Three possibilities:
1. Lenglon is town and telling the truth, Toaster actually did target you last night.  That means he didn't kill Jim, making him town.
2. Lenglon is mafia.  As there is almost certainly only one mafia member left, that would make Toaster not a mafia member.
3. Lenglon is town, but Toaster tricked her through some bizarre ability that renders trackers completely useless.

As long as 3 isn't true (I'm pretty sure it isn't), Toaster isn't the last mafia member.  Therefore he has an alibi.

Nobody else has anything of the sort.

Incidentally, note Lenglon's first post of the day.  She doesn't actually state who Toaster's target was.  That, to me, implies she didn't really track him and was hedging her bets.

So how did this bring about that revelation on the intrinsic color properties there? It's...very sensible that I'm hitting myself for not noticing it earlier despite my thoughts hanging on that note for 3 darn days.

Think bridal gowns.  Wedding nights.  I dunno it just clicked somehow.  Maybe reading Berserk helped.

On that note: What's your take on the whole 'elegant/rough' way to solve said puzzle?

Elegant = solve the puzzle
Rough = identify the mafia members and lynch them

Or, possibly, what I arrived at was the "rough" solution, because it requires several people to already be dead.  Maybe there's a more elegant solution you could come to with everyone still alive.

Lastly for now: Comparing Lenglon to how she performed in D2 (pre-Soli), could you detail how--because the theory is still fallible in the way that it stands in linking notes and interpretation there--she is the last scum via the other method? The realistic method?

I don't have time now, but doing a re-read of Lenglon's early game would be valuable.  I'll try it tomorrow.

Why am I not scum? Toaster. Leafsnail. I've been wondering why people have been seemingly reluctant to poke on my role or query it since the past days-and only now does a pertinent accusation of...anything (third-party?) come out.

Process of elimination.

[Tiruin]

Why isn't Lenglon female for you. >_>

There is maybe something in this, but note web's role PM - his shoes turned red prior to the start of the game.  So webadict II did undergo an involuntary transformation from white to red, in the same way as I had one from red to black.

Mhmm? But that argument lies on a tangible reason-something wholly different from the rest which lie on intangible reasons/talents/skills/traits or character/istics.

Think bridal gowns.  Wedding nights.  I dunno it just clicked somehow.  Maybe reading Berserk helped.

...I didn't mention this earlier because I thought it would be trivial.

Horatio told me that the 13th bridal gown wouldn't be used.

Elegant = solve the puzzle
Rough = identify the mafia members and lynch them

Or, possibly, what I arrived at was the "rough" solution, because it requires several people to already be dead.  Maybe there's a more elegant solution you could come to with everyone still alive.

Well, seeing previous flavor on how we dealt with the lynch, I'd prefer talking to the Captain of the Guard about the whole matter, and probably complain about his style too. I mean, I did add an addendum to talk up said person, but then it got waived because Horatio.

Also the Rough way indeed solves it, but how we're going about is..just in the same. I recall a post back then detailing that the Rough way was pretty much 'kill everyone' pertaining to how scum were detailed.

Process of elimination.

:I
Since when?

...Damnit it's making a heck lot of sense more here now. Ughghg studies messing up my analysis skills-in-that-matter. >_>

[Lenglon]

I'm kinda distracted right now because of kitty videos, but are there any questions for me in that mess? I'll try to get a more proper analysis of the situation done sometime tomorrow and respond to it as a whole then, but actual questions I'll handle now if you bold them for me.

[Tiruin]

Lenglon

Lenglon: Why'd you choose Toaster despite the last posts you said before day end (which I..missed. Was thinking along memory back there hence my question to Toaster about where he said so) and not me?

Leafsnail
Missed this.

"I... I mean, I'm not totally sure or anything. but...
well, she can't be in two places at once, right?
well, if she spent all that time with Horatio last night, and yet was asleep when you reached her, and still you and I had enough time afterwards to get some sleep, then she'd have to have been in two places at once to do anything... mean, to Jim last night.
although I still don't understand how Jim died. It... it seemed kinda odd, you know?

and then even after that, did you notice how she has acted today? the way she has been carefully questioning us? It seems to me that she is trying her hardest to investigate with the tools she has available. and I'd say she's doing a pretty fine job of it too."

"Oh yeah, um, she also is verified by one other thing. the only person that died last night was Jim, right? so...
what happened to Jim's ability to kill, if it wasn't used attempting to kill Tiruin? I mean, nobody else has a defense, and I can sorta understand why Jim would think it would work. I mean, Jim's lethal skill was mentioned to be unblockable. so depending on how Tiruin's defense works, it seems like it might have worked regardless, right? I think Jim tried to kill Tiruin, leaving a taste of gravedirt in her mouth, and that Tiruin managed to hold Jim off somehow."

You clearly made all this stuff up.  If you used all this reasoning to determine Tiruin wasn't scum, you would have stated it with your case on me rather than acting like it was self evident.

The real reason you marked Tiruin as town is that you forgot to think from a townie perspective.

Huh, townie perspective, hmm?

All this accusation in that paragraph is vague. How is it all made up? The justification for the Jim-kill makes sense, and I can't see how you're relating it to yourself for some subtle reason.

You accuse the essence of forgetting a certain perspective, yet fail to expound on said perspective.

What gives.

Also consider that Lenglon's opposite role, Toaster, claimed to have entertaining flavour.  It would be odd for Vector to make one role in a pair have funny flavour that links to its role and the other one to have basically nothing.

What entertaining flavor? Toaster. You too.

Toaster: What is your attraction to the prince? Same for Leafsnail/Lenglon.

[Lenglon]

Lenglon

Lenglon: Why'd you choose Toaster despite the last posts you said before day end (which I..missed. Was thinking along memory back there hence my question to Toaster about where he said so) and not me?

That speech was an attempt to make both of you fall into a WIFOM-esque situation, where if you were scum, you wouldn't be sure if I was going to track you or not, and not know if you could use your kill safely or not. If you (Tiruin) were scum, then you'd probably still expect me to track you, and so you'd try to kill me overnight, then frame Toaster for the kill today. and If Toaster were scum, then Toaster would expect me to track her, and would try to kill me overnight, and claim that she gave you a rose Triuin, but that you didn't get any flavor response to it. I thought that Jim was a JOAT, and would use her protect on me. by baiting both the kill and a protect, I thought that we'd have an extra day, because we'd have a night with no deaths, and be able to safely lynch toaster, and even if we were wrong, still have one last night to try to get it right, and that the last four of us would be Jim, Me, Tiruin, and Leaf. Jim could investigate one of you, and I could track the other. guaranteeing that one of us would find the killer on the last night, no matter who died in the night, for a town win, by either finding the killer directly, or by proving that everyone else was town. I picked Toaster as the one to actually follow because Jim's plan made sense.

[Tiruin]

PFPquery

That's..sensible. Though, why isn't Leafsnail factored in there? He's-was..squeaky clean to you back then?

[Lenglon]

no, he wasn't, Leaf honestly was my 2nd pick for scum after Toaster. You've been pretty consistantly "feeling" like an ally here, and Jim was confirmed as town -.-
however, for Leaf, I kinda figured that it didn't matter what I said or did, he'd do whatever he was going to do.
my guess was he'd kill one of our information-gatherers, either Jim or me. I was hopeing he'd pick me to die, and that I'd be protected, but...
well, it didn't seem to matter what I said or did in any case, I had better people to track, and I couldn't affect his decision.
so I didn't worry about it.

[Vector]

TheWetSheep looked to be between 16 and 18.  Okami no Rei's shoes were [anachronistic] satin toe shoes.

It's sad, and I'm pretty glad I can talk about it with you other three and no other guard or servant around.
...
(It's really weird how we're all always left without mention in the flavor. )

You head for the guardhouse to find the Captain of the Guard, Adolf Alexandersen.  The guardhouse is a dank stone building divided into chambers; it has its own mess hall, armory, and a barracks lined with unmade beds and the whiff of horses, whores, and leather.  Alexandersen, a massive bear of a man, sits sharpening a knife.  The Prince, fine blade at his hip, armored with gauntlets, greaves, and brigandine, stands over him.

"Captain Alexandersen, you are in dereliction of duty," he snarls.  "Why were no guards posted to my bedchamber last night?"

"You're whining over nothing again--if you'll pardon my coarse language, sire," says Alexandersen, tugging at his forelock with a mailed paw.  He doesn't look up from his dagger and whetstone.  "You'll have to excuse my common country ways."

"Why were no guards posted, Captain?"

"My men were walking the halls and keeping watch in the towers," he says sourly.  "You're alive, aren't you?  What have you got to complain about?"

"I woke last night and--I went to the kitchens for, uh, a tankard of milk, and saw not a soul.  No wonder we've seen so many deaths of late.  You have been shirking, Alexandersen!"

"You would, wouldn't you," says Alexandersen, peering at his blade and spitting on a smudge.  "Funny how that happens.  See, me and my men haven't eaten in two days, and I say it's lucky for you we're here at all, protectin' the lady folks so you can keep playing at being King 'stead of wading cuisse-deep in blood like the rest of us."

"The hunters were to return yesterday!  I am not to blame for the game being poor."

"Your Uncle Claudius--now there was a man for you.  Pity your brother murdered him.  Now you--well, you'll excuse me if I say it straight out, sire: you're a coward without the balls to cut your own apples, let alone fuck Fortinbras back to Norway."

There is a shocked silence, in which you edge a little closer to the door and hope no one notices your presence.  The Prince puts his hand to the gilded hilt of his sword.

"Go on, woman.  Draw your sticker and prove me wrong.  But we were waiting here for your brothers' return, and now that both are pushin' daisies and we're left with you--well.  Your hunters won't be returning.  We guardsmen're just here to protect the ladyfolks until they can go.  They got stuff to gather together."

"But they have been dying on your watch," says the Prince.  All the blood has left his face.

"Not your stable of witches."  Alexandersen roots around for a bit of old meat in his back teeth.  He flicks it on the floor.  "The goodwives and ladies in waiting who actually run this place.  You see, Prince, word is going to get up north soon enough, and when the good men of the border guard hear of your reign--if you can call this that--they'll be returning to collect their dues.  Who cares if you have a few assassins running loose?  Your mistresses are probably better off dead anyhow."

The Prince draws his rapier and presses the point to the hollow of Alexandersen's throat.  The Captain waits.  He looks bored.

"I may have been weak before," growls the Prince, "but something about you arouses the wolf in me.  As per tradition, the coronation demands a debt in blood.  You shall have the honor of being the first sent to Mother Death's capable arms."

The barracks door opens.

"Sigfred Hamletsen!" roars Horatio, breaking into a run.  He takes the Prince by both shoulders and pulls him away.  "You f--I've been looking for you everywhere!"

"Remove your hands from our royal person," says Sigfred.  His hand tightens on the hilt.

Horatio lets go.

"Sire," he says, peering at the floor, "I have organized the reports on the royal treasury that you requested.  They await your inspection in the solar."

"I'll read them in the undercroft."  He tries to sheathe his blade and has to try again for the trembling in his hands.  Alexandersen laughs and returns to polishing his knife.

"As you wish, my liege."

"Captain Alexandersen, I hope for your sake that the sunset finds you in a sweeter temper," the Prince says, and takes his leave.  Horatio lingers.

"What did you say to him?"

"The truth.  Move along, sodomist."

"I bid you a most pleasant midday," Horatio says coldly, and departs on the Prince's heels.  He passes you at the door, grimaces magnificently, but says nothing.

Entering the room and approaching the Captain, you recognize the knife in Alexandersen's hand as the acolyte's misericorde; and beneath his muddy boots, a bloodstained carpet, blue-green, the color of water.  Your belly runs cold.

"Well, hello there," says Adolf Alexandersen.  "What's a pretty girl like you doing here with so many hungry men about?"

[Lenglon]

((no RP because I want to get back to kitties))
Ok, so if I'm seeing this right, Leaf, you have four main parts to your case.

1) I didn't explicitly state where toaster went in my first post of the day.
that post was at 3:30AM, and I was tired, distracted, and very busy. Tiruin can confirm that I was focused on other things at the time. anyway, because I couldn't trust my own judgement at the time, I said as little as possible. I didn't want to say anything at all, in keeping with my normal policy regarding tracking someone who didn't go to a kill(see the first time I tracked toaster, and when I claimed that), but Tiruin's vote gave you the opportunity to hammer, assuming you still had the double-vote you had before, so I had to say something at the time or risk throwing the game. The change to how your vote works has never been demonstrated, and in fact, ever since you claimed that change, you haven't voted at all, with the exception of today's vote on toaster, which I had to prompt you to do, even though you claimed to have a protective vote and should have been using it on the confirmed townie at all times.
and by the way, speaking of being slow to dispense flavor:
Leafsnail what WERE you doing last night if you didn't kill Jim?

2)Web was bussed.
Why would Web want to be bussed in the first place? It was Day four, MYLO, and the only mafia that died had died to a modkill. Notice that yesterday, my accusation of him happened right at the start of the day, as my first post of the day, when there wasn't even any pressure on him, and I brought the main piece of evidence to the table with me that got him lynched. your theory requires that Web thought it was a better idea to throw himself under the bus at MYLO than to simply win on the spot. IF I had been lying about tracking someone, then all I'd have to do is claim to have followed Tiruin or you, since neither of you visit people anyway.

3)Colors
I think that's quite a bit of a stretch there, and the color that stands out to me the most is the red herring all over the place. even your "purity" thing makes no sense. take a look at Ottofar's flavor. Her motives were as "pure" as they get, it was even a major point how her role power worked, and yet she was the "black" swan. what about the white dresses most of us wore at the start? what about the black dresses we're all wearing now? there's red, white, and black all over the place, not just the arbitrary parts of each person's flavor you picked for scrutiny, and it doesn't fit into a coherent pattern. Stop eating the red herring.

4)I don't have flavor for my role
I really didn't have any flavor for my role, and how it connects to my character, so I ended up having to PM Vector and ask what that is about. Basically, I don't stand out all that much. I don't have any really unique skills, or awesome talents, or whatever, but I'm doing what I can to make the most of what I can do. So I follow people. It's... It's not even really a talent. I just don't stand out very much.

[Leafsnail]

Mhmm? But that argument lies on a tangible reason-something wholly different from the rest which lie on intangible reasons/talents/skills/traits or character/istics.

Having shoes permanently cursed to your feet is a trait.

...I didn't mention this earlier because I thought it would be trivial.

Horatio told me that the 13th bridal gown wouldn't be used.

That isn't what I meant really.  The 13th bridal gown probably wasn't used because ZU refused to change.

Since when?

Since I identified Lenglon as the last mafia member.

Huh, townie perspective, hmm?
All this accusation in that paragraph is vague. How is it all made up? The justification for the Jim-kill makes sense, and I can't see how you're relating it to yourself for some subtle reason.

You accuse the essence of forgetting a certain perspective, yet fail to expound on said perspective.

What gives.

I thought this was a pretty common tell.  Think about it.  If Lenglon actually thought through all of those reasons before she said that I was the only possible killer, then she would've posted them then.  Thus, it is clear that she simply panicked in response to the question and decided to retroactively make up a bunch of reasons.

The lack of townie perspective is my alternative hypothesis to "Lenglon totally had a tonne of reason for thinking Tiruin was town but for some reason decided not to post any of it, while still relying on the conclusion that Tiruin was town in his statement".  She already knew that you're not a mafia member, and forgot that a town player wouldn't.

Huh, townie perspective, hmm?What entertaining flavor? Toaster. You too.

He talked about pollination being used as a euphemism for sex during his claim

Toaster: What is your attraction to the prince? Same for Leafsnail/Lenglon.

I was able to dance for the first time in years when I arrived here, and fell in love with him while doing so.  The fact that he's the only man who has even considered marrying me in ages probably helps.

no, he wasn't, Leaf honestly was my 2nd pick for scum after Toaster. You've been pretty consistantly "feeling" like an ally here, and Jim was confirmed as town -.-
however, for Leaf, I kinda figured that it didn't matter what I said or did, he'd do whatever he was going to do.
my guess was he'd kill one of our information-gatherers, either Jim or me. I was hopeing he'd pick me to die, and that I'd be protected, but...
well, it didn't seem to matter what I said or did in any case, I had better people to track, and I couldn't affect his decision.
so I didn't worry about it.

So you thought I was scum but I wasn't worth tracking because...?

I'll make another post for the big Lenglon one.

[Toaster]

webadict I <-> Ottofar
zombie urist -> Jim Groovester <- Solifuge
Griffionday -> Tiruin
Toaster -> NQT <- Lenglon
Leafsnail -> TWS <- webadict II

I don't think this is useful any more, but here it is.  As for Love and Synthesis, maybe it has to do with the chats that formed when we figured out the connection?


Leaf:  Did Web say anything useful in your chat?


I'm mid-reread of this game, but don't have time to finish it right now.


Tiruin:  The Prince reminds me of sunshine, and flowers like sunshine.  Leaf got it right on my flavor humor- that, plus the naive wording of someone who clearly doesn't understand human society is funny.


Lenglon:  What is your attraction to the prince?

[Leafsnail]

That chart does lay it out pretty nicely.  Griffionday/Tiruin and JG/ZU/Soli form their own mini-puzzles, relating to third parties.  Then the three colour pairs provide the main meat of the puzzle, with TWS and NQT being there to help us realize that the links exist (otherwise the puzzle would be basically unsolvable if the Lenglon and webadict II decided to falseclaim).  No link is needed between webadict I and Ottofar because they already knew about each other.

webadict didn't really say anything of value.

1) I didn't explicitly state where toaster went in my first post of the day.
that post was at 3:30AM, and I was tired, distracted, and very busy. Tiruin can confirm that I was focused on other things at the time. anyway, because I couldn't trust my own judgement at the time, I said as little as possible. I didn't want to say anything at all, in keeping with my normal policy regarding tracking someone who didn't go to a kill(see the first time I tracked toaster, and when I claimed that), but Tiruin's vote gave you the opportunity to hammer, assuming you still had the double-vote you had before, so I had to say something at the time or risk throwing the game. The change to how your vote works has never been demonstrated, and in fact, ever since you claimed that change, you haven't voted at all, with the exception of today's vote on toaster, which I had to prompt you to do, even though you claimed to have a protective vote and should have been using it on the confirmed townie at all times.

Firstly, there is no point at all in me voting a confirmed townie, because they are not going to be lynched regardless.  My vote is useful for players who are likely to be lynched, but who are actually town.  There was no such player yesterday, because webadict was so clearly mafia.

Secondly, I don't understand what you are saying.  Were you worried you'd write down the wrong name by accident or something?

and by the way, speaking of being slow to dispense flavor:
Leafsnail what WERE you doing last night if you didn't kill Jim?

Nothing, because I have no night action.  I claimed my flavour at the start of my first post today.

2)Web was bussed.
Why would Web want to be bussed in the first place? It was Day four, MYLO, and the only mafia that died had died to a modkill. Notice that yesterday, my accusation of him happened right at the start of the day, as my first post of the day, when there wasn't even any pressure on him, and I brought the main piece of evidence to the table with me that got him lynched. your theory requires that Web thought it was a better idea to throw himself under the bus at MYLO than to simply win on the spot. IF I had been lying about tracking someone, then all I'd have to do is claim to have followed Tiruin or you, since neither of you visit people anyway.

There was no clear mislynch target for day four, so getting one mafia member lynched while making sure the other didn't makes sense.  In any case, webadict made a claim that guaranteed his death.  I think it's more likely he did that deliberately than accidentally.

3)Colors
I think that's quite a bit of a stretch there, and the color that stands out to me the most is the red herring all over the place. even your "purity" thing makes no sense. take a look at Ottofar's flavor. Her motives were as "pure" as they get, it was even a major point how her role power worked, and yet she was the "black" swan. what about the white dresses most of us wore at the start? what about the black dresses we're all wearing now? there's red, white, and black all over the place, not just the arbitrary parts of each person's flavor you picked for scrutiny, and it doesn't fit into a coherent pattern. Stop eating the red herring.

Your interpretation of Ottofar's flavour is absolutely bizarre.  Read the first paragraph - "strong, intelligent, solemn, delicate, clear-sighted", "lively mind and clever conversation".  Does that read pure, innocent maiden to you?  Also note that her rolepower occurs because she looks like her sister, and that has nothing to do with her being pure.

Ottofar is a widow who still mourns her dead lover.  She wears clothes that symbolize death.  So she is black, and I don't think you can reasonably come to any other conclusion.

The fact that the clothes we wore match the colours and meanings involved in the puzzles (white dresses for us clearly represented our bridal purity, black dresses were to commemorate death) shows that it was Vector attempting to push us towards what the puzzle actually was.

Also, saying that this is a "red herring" (ie, a false clue deliberately planted by Vector) contradicts your suggestion that I am entirely tilting at windmills.  In any case, I haven't heard anything even approaching a suggestion of what the puzzle could be from anyone else.

4)I don't have flavor for my role
I really didn't have any flavor for my role, and how it connects to my character, so I ended up having to PM Vector and ask what that is about. Basically, I don't stand out all that much. I don't have any really unique skills, or awesome talents, or whatever, but I'm doing what I can to make the most of what I can do. So I follow people. It's... It's not even really a talent. I just don't stand out very much.

How does being a  link to having no unique skills?  How does having no unique skills link to being a tracker?  This answer only raises more questions.

I'll also point you towards Toaster's claim.  It is very strange how much less information you are able to give about your flavour than Toaster is (even though you are both in a similar position), and how the information you have given doesn't seem to make much sense at all.

[Tiruin]

PFP - Unexpected arghness delaying big post DX

I'll also point you towards Toaster's claim.  It is very strange how much less information you are able to give about your flavour than Toaster is (even though you are both in a similar position), and how the information you have given doesn't seem to make much sense at all.

...Toaster had 5 total sentences as he claimed. Lenglon claimed process of elimination in watching Toaster's snoopy snooping.

So how doesn't it not make sense? What doesn't make sense is how I got the taste of dirt, yet she gave a reasonable idea right darn there to explain Jim's...being Jim'd.

So either you're lying on doing nothing (and withholding vote as you still have 2 votes) and abstaining from voting yesterday

There was no clear mislynch target for day four, so getting one mafia member lynched while making sure the other didn't makes sense.  In any case, webadict made a claim that guaranteed his death.  I think it's more likely he did that deliberately than accidentally.

Tiruin narrows her eyes at this statement.
"That is illogical. A cursed dancer has nothing to lose-and doing it deliberately doesn't even go anywhere near any kind of match. What suspicion was on Okami beforehand? What did she have to lose? What pressure was on her to even so such?

"The only logical conclusion I can see is that the more 'useful' target was another mafioso--and said one, being a highly voted suspect in days prior."

Of which I lack the punchline to go back and check because darn work and stress. x_x

and by the way, speaking of being slow to dispense flavor:
Leafsnail what WERE you doing last night if you didn't kill Jim?

Nothing, because I have no night action.  I claimed my flavour at the start of my first post today.

I did nothing.  I had a bad dream about cheating on my lover before waking up and feeling like the Prince could never love me because of my melancholy.

..Problem is that this is a past tense format.

As in, you're...already cheating on your lover if you're here. And he 'couldn't love you because of x and y' is so much of an understatement.

Technically, you did say flavor. You just said the generality of it.

Expound.

That chart does lay it out pretty nicely.  Griffionday/Tiruin and JG/ZU/Soli form their own mini-puzzles, relating to third parties.  Then the three colour pairs provide the main meat of the puzzle, with TWS and NQT being there to help us realize that the links exist (otherwise the puzzle would be basically unsolvable if the Lenglon and webadict II decided to falseclaim).  No link is needed between webadict I and Ottofar because they already knew about each other.

webadict didn't really say anything of value.

Mini-puzzle my backhand.

I had nothing. nothing nothing Noooooothing to know about Griffy back there, at all. No hint. No tip. No literature-based foreshadowing in my flavor that touched the young prince. Sure, I talked to Horatio about it, but he said nothing nor hinted anything about a younger Prince at all. Vice versa goes on him-reading his role, he knew nothing (ok, my past and me :I) about me--he knew the details, but not who I was, just who would match with his inspect. And by inspect, I thoroughly mean flavor-inspector given how he'll inspect people.

On the ZU/Soli/Jim thing? Sure, the two acolytes would've said stuff about their flavor--just as ZU did back in the day who had detailed his everything. Jim was town--any townie would've revealed bad stuff..something which ZU knew and said. However said puzzle didn't come to fruition unless Jim was actually a walking time bomb who shouldn't say that because either she's restricted to, or its a trivial notion due to all the vagueness about our knowledge on her.

 Which reminds me about how you persecuted him: Base reason being only one line when I asked - that you thought he was scum.

When asked on that, you complained to having to list it down again. I want you to do that now on grounds of total doubt -- list what he said did make him scum as opposed to what he's revealing at the time that doesn't.

If you have problems with my reasons for voting ZU then state them rather than forcing me to pointlessly repost the same things again.

Because it isn't pointless when I ask again on the matter despite it looking similar to being pointless. Viewpoint difference.

Toasterr

webadict I <-> Ottofar
zombie urist -> Jim Groovester <- Solifuge
Griffionday -> Tiruin
Toaster -> NQT <- Lenglon
Leafsnail -> TWS <- webadict II

I don't think this is useful any more, but here it is.  As for Love and Synthesis, maybe it has to do with the chats that formed when we figured out the connection?

Chatswhatnow?

Process of elimination.

:I
Since when?

Since when?

Since I identified Lenglon as the last mafia member.

And I take it you're thoroughly convinced that you aren't accepting any doubts or speculation on the matter-especially when said matter has its crux in how you relate x and y? What do all those colors pertain to, as a categorical generality?
Oh, and where exactly in her claim (please link) did she go wrong? Sure, its vague-but I don't think I received an answer from you about how she did Soli in without chance of backlash? The kill-flavor matches the deed.

...I didn't mention this earlier because I thought it would be trivial.

Horatio told me that the 13th bridal gown wouldn't be used.

That isn't what I meant really.  The 13th bridal gown probably wasn't used because ZU refused to change.

He did?
*ahem sorry can't check back and it would be best if you link it thanks and sorry! D:*
I mean, she did?

Toaster: What is your attraction to the prince? Same for Leafsnail/Lenglon.

I was able to dance for the first time in years when I arrived here, and fell in love with him while doing so.  The fact that he's the only man who has even considered marrying me in ages probably helps.

> In ages? Why?
> You were able to dance because...?

Mhmm? But that argument lies on a tangible reason-something wholly different from the rest which lie on intangible reasons/talents/skills/traits or character/istics.

Having shoes permanently cursed to your feet is a trait.

But-..
I..
...
But they were cursed because of what she did!
..Hmph. Makes sense. However in that context-you also did something with a certain other someone which did refer directly to love and its devious fault on love. Wouldn't you agree on that?

Lenglon

4)I don't have flavor for my role
I really didn't have any flavor for my role, and how it connects to my character, so I ended up having to PM Vector and ask what that is about. Basically, I don't stand out all that much. I don't have any really unique skills, or awesome talents, or whatever, but I'm doing what I can to make the most of what I can do. So I follow people. It's... It's not even really a talent. I just don't stand out very much.

Could you re-detail your role again? All I remember (poor be my memory) was that you gained sentience, and was quitely confused because you still remember being a plant. In which the only claim I do remember is that you tried to find soil N1 and was disappointed.

Oh, and that Soli business.
Back in the day, I was thinking puncture wounds on NQT - the satin toe shoes seem like...the best darn thought there. Unless someone used a knife. :/ Thorns don't seem to be the case in making such a wound..but I don't know anything on how a human-sized plant attacks someone and their distinct marks on human flesh.

Yeah this is me admitting that I've never handled a rose in real life or any kind of thorn-based thingy.

"Well, hello there. What's a pretty girl like you doing here with so many hungry men about?"[/i]

Tiruin checks her mind for a list of things to be doing here with so many hungry men about.

> Exploring
> Trying to find out who did such
> Discrepancy with thoughts
> Why does he have a misericorde
> Why is a blood stained carpet..not red?! Did someone bleach it dry?
> Are they cannibals?
> Darn who wouldn't eat anything in 2 days?!
> We must not have flour.
> So then what are the ladies in waiting eating?!
> Does Horatio have a mustache?
> Who is keeping the kitchen!?
> Is Horatio keeping something else from us?
> Must search other girls' rooms. Everything is possible.
What if he says no.

Then I must say something that would attract his attention.
"Curiosity, sir. I've been wondering if you and your men could check the Prince's rooms made for his mistresses. The thirteen invited?" maybe he doesn't know I'm one of them, perhaps?
...He called me pretty~
OK. Focus!
"Because I've heard that one of them is withholding a bit of food. By that, I meant check all those rooms.

"Also why does that carpet have such a colorful nature? What happened to it?
..The same would go for your exotic weapon. Why and where'd you get it?"
please don't notice my obvious semantics on subtly interrogating you my fellow peasant sir.

Inquire to Captain about the carpet, why it became so, why he's holding an acolyte's dagger and how he got it, and why that carpet is specifically bloodstained and now colored like..such.

Also subtly and meekly state that I overheard the conversation, and try to support the Prince's side because he's awesome and on my motive of hating civil war and stuff.

[Toaster]

Tiruin:

Some things of note from dead chat: TheWetSheep says he was in a chat with Leafsnail and webadict, which isn't a surprise to me since I got a chat with zombie urist midday through D3, and we theorized that Toaster and Lenglon also have a chat. Both him and webadict expressed suspicion of Leafsnail. He also says that in his flavor he was visited by two girls, one who distracted him, one who killed him, and without using weapons.

I haven't had the time to sit down and look at this, but yes, Lenglon and I got a chat D3.  We've barely touched it.

I guess I can see how you missed this, since you wouldn't have gotten Quack Chat given your only counterpart was dead.

[Tiruin]

Ok now that's insulting >_>

And wow. That would pretty muchly be a giant inference.

Because the wincon is to find and get me out, on his side--it doesn't make sense that way.

So..why aren't you talking to Lenglon?

Lenglon: Same query.