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[Tiruin]

in with no more craziness from me... hopefully...

I'll give you  a hint.  DON'T CLAIM EARLY!  That'll get rid of most of your huge blunders in play.

Since I'm not a mod anymore (in which I really should put down that last note stamp..) here's my two cents.

What he said. :S

Or learn to claim correctly.

[lordnincompoop]

I'll give you  a hint.  DON'T CLAIM.  That'll get rid of most of your huge blunders in play.

That is terrible advice. Claiming is absolutely fine, and would be recommended at LYLO and when one is about to get lynched.

Claiming doesn't work, however, when the town can't scumhunt worth a damn and enjoys shooting itself in the foot like in BM XLI, and when there is also an anti-town Cop (which weakens the claim somewhat, but is still strong).

[Dariush]

I think that in this case the fault for lynching Cado lied with the town. Mafia don't really have an incentive to fakeclaim on D1 due to risk of counterclaim by the actual cop.

Does anybody remember any BMs in which scum fakeclaimed in circumstances other than being in immediate danger of the lynch and/or was believed by the town?

[Tiruin]

Claiming doesn't work, however, when the town can't scumhunt worth a damn and enjoys shooting itself in the foot like in BM XLI, and when there is also an anti-town Cop (which weakens the claim somewhat, but is still strong).

I am going to cry.

I think that in this case the fault for lynching Cado lied with the town. Mafia don't really have an incentive to fakeclaim on D1 due to risk of counterclaim by the actual cop.

Does anybody remember any BMs in which scum fakeclaimed in circumstances other than being in immediate danger of the lynch and/or was believed by the town?

* Tiruin points at Deathsword who faceclaimed Doctor. And by sheer coincidence had his opponent be the real doctor. Back in..err, BM XL? Give or take one.

[griffinpup]

I'll give you  a hint.  DON'T CLAIM.  That'll get rid of most of your huge blunders in play.

That is terrible advice. Claiming is absolutely fine, and would be recommended at LYLO and when one is about to get lynched.

Claiming doesn't work, however, when the town can't scumhunt worth a damn and enjoys shooting itself in the foot like in BM XLI, and when there is also an anti-town Cop (which weakens the claim somewhat, but is still strong).

Ranger has managed to claim in every game I've ever played with him, and has always managed to do it before it's even day three.  In fact, he claimed cop day one in the most recent BM, under less then sizable pressure.  While it was a mistake to lynch him, it also was a mistake to claim.

[RangerCado]

I get it I get it! ...I'll just play normally, like when i used to play IRL.

[Leafsnail]

While it was a mistake to lynch him, it also was a mistake to claim.

No.  His decision to claim was completely correct.  There's no point in hiding the fact that you're a power role if you're about to die, because the mafia will find out what your role was when you roleflip anyway.

You should actually always give someone a chance to claim before lynching them for this reason.

[griffinpup]

While it was a mistake to lynch him, it also was a mistake to claim.

No.  His decision to claim was completely correct.  There's no point in hiding the fact that you're a power role if you're about to die, because the mafia will find out what your role was when you roleflip anyway.

You should actually always give someone a chance to claim before lynching them for this reason.

If he was about to be lynched, sure.  He wasn't.  Sure, the most votes were on him at the time, but there wasn't actually much pressure on him.  His claim was far too premature to be "completely correct."

[Nerjin]

IC in unless someone more qualified comes along.

[Leafsnail]

There wasn't much time left in the day at all.  Under normal rulesets you claim when you're one vote away from being lynched, but it's pretty difficult to know when to claim when the deadline is constantly changing and really close.

[lordnincompoop]

If he was about to be lynched, sure.  He wasn't.  Sure, the most votes were on him at the time, but there wasn't actually much pressure on him.  His claim was far too premature to be "completely correct."

A decent majority vote is more pressure than words will ever be. Ranger wasn't wrong at all when he said the people on him weren't coming off, considering they had just pasted them there and then faffed around in the interim.

I think that in this case the fault for lynching Cado lied with the town. Mafia don't really have an incentive to fakeclaim on D1 due to risk of counterclaim by the actual cop.

That's true. Even if there was a scum cop, there really isn't a situation where it'd be worth claiming as one.

[mastahcheese]

I've read a few of these games, and they look like fun.

I might join, not sure yet.

[griffinpup]

Join, MastahCheese, join!  This is at least as fun as RPing a very stupid dwarf.

[mastahcheese]

But I don't like RPing, I like stabbing people in the back.

[Tiruin]

We're doomed. He gets the point. :p