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[Corsair]

((This looks like fun although two questions 1. How does the waitlist work exactly? 2. How does the belief system work, can you steal it from other gods? or force people to worship you? ))

[Scionox]

HOW DID THIS HAPPEN.

TAKE EVERYTHING YOU KNOW ABOUT ECOSYSTEMS AND THROW IT OUT A WINDOW. WALK OUTSIDE. PARK A CAR ON IT. STAB IT. GET RID OF IT.

WE ARE NOT RUNNING A PERFECT SIMULATION OF THE EARTH. WE DO NOT NEED 3800 INSECT TYPES. WE NEED ONE TO GET THINGS GOING. THEN, LATER, IF WE FEEL LIKE IT, WE CAN CREATE 3800 INSECT TYPES ASSUMING THERE'S TIME FOR IT.

OOC: QFFT 

Create dimension: Nightmare realm

Satisfied with his powers finally working like intended, Scionox notices Bodark's newest creation of "Pale Moon Flower" and gets slightly amused, then looking at all sapient creatures he notices that something is missing, that's right.
Then Scionox breaks the dimensional matter with the swing of his tail and channels the energy, which then forms into Nightmare Realm outside of this dimension. The souls of mortals when they are asleep will be temporarily transferred there. Dimension doesn't has general form and looks entirely different depending on who looks at it, based on their worst fears and scaring the everything out of every mortal soul that enters it in their sleep, until they wake up.

(If possible)Order Terrificus to turn "Nightmare Birds" into what they supposed to be.

[Scionox]

Edit: laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag

[Scionox]

Edit: laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag mk2

[GreatWyrmGold]

((I don't know why its continuing past the point which Irony states its his game, and the rules are pretty defined from that standpoint...

((Because you people keep insisting that the wrong was all on me, when it was in fact shared.))

It's pretty clear there a-))

((Didn't help that Irony never bothered to explain that I was wrong. You all tried, but you're not the GM so I didn't pay much attention to your interpretation of the rules.))

((:/

I'm really feeling a strawman coming from you GWG. We all tried, and our words also matter in the way that Irony's not arguing on them.
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((It's his game. I feel justified in not believing others' interpretations when the GM's own statements seem to contradict them.))

However if you'd like a real life example of minor gods and their uses, I would love to point you to Greek and Roman mythology.

((...Germane, how?))

...But really. That last post? Reeks of logical fallacies against IronyOwl.  You need to be clearer with your words for one, and at least explain your pseudo-snark threats that I see there.))

((It was an attempt to explain why I thought what I thought and felt how I felt.
It was also a product of my eternal mistake of debating at a far later hour of the night than when I'm perfectly rational.))

[Tsuchigumo550]

((I don't know why its continuing past the point which Irony states its his game, and the rules are pretty defined from that standpoint...

((Because you people keep insisting that the wrong was all on me, when it was in fact shared.))

((You didn't understand the system and immediately began arguing that it needed to work a certain way without listening to any argument against what you had already thought up. Irony REPEATEDLY told you that you wouldn't need all the components of an ecosystem for things to work, and assuming you'd have to create things as a 1:1 to earth perfecctly given the pace of the game makes no sense to me. Repeatedly you were told you would not need to go to such extremes to have a working ecosystem. You didn't seem to listen, take in, or try to understand any statement that contradicted yours, and you held on to " we need all of these insects and worms because that's how it works on Earth and that's how life is and yaaay" no matter what we tried to do. If you still insist that's how things have to be, then wait till your next turn and try to do something then, and let the major gods work out how the game works and try to wrap around that. Don't be suprised when Irony denies your ability to create thousands of distinct yet mundane bugs in a single turn, though. It's not how the game works.))

((Didn't help that Irony never bothered to explain that I was wrong. You all tried, but you're not the GM so I didn't pay much attention to your interpretation of the rules.))

(( Surely by now we'd have some understanding of the rules, and with how proactive Irony has been actually putting up with this argument about how his own game works, I'd assume that if one of us was wrong in a major way we'd be informed of that. Let's just say that if I was the GM, I would never have argued this point as far as it went- so thanks, Irony, for dealing with this as well as you have- but it's time to drop it. I don't care who's at blame, you can think whoever is wrong is wrong, but drop it so we can get on with things ingame. Don't reply to this. Don't reply to the others. We've explained how the game works, if you have a question, ask, and don't say " it needs to be like this" or argue it should be a certain way after asking.))

((It was an attempt to explain why I thought what I thought and felt how I felt.
It was also a product of my eternal mistake of debating at a far later hour of the night than when I'm perfectly rational.))

((I guess that late at night thing makes sense. Just try to learn from this, alright? No more cluttering the game with endless responses, no more demanding the game works a certain way, no more ignoring the other players, and more questions. Ask how the game works, without saying "it needs to be this way." Ask, and take the answer at face value. Drop your expectations of how you think it should be when you ask, and if the GM dosen't SAY it needs to be a certain way (in a god game, at least) then take that at face value and leave it alone.))

[GreatWyrmGold]

((I don't know why its continuing past the point which Irony states its his game, and the rules are pretty defined from that standpoint...

((Because you people keep insisting that the wrong was all on me, when it was in fact shared.))

((You didn't understand the system and immediately began arguing that it needed to work a certain way without listening to any argument against what you had already thought up. Irony REPEATEDLY told you that you wouldn't need all the components of an ecosystem for things to work, and assuming you'd have to create things as a 1:1 to earth perfecctly given the pace of the game makes no sense to me. Repeatedly you were told you would not need to go to such extremes to have a working ecosystem. You didn't seem to listen, take in, or try to understand any statement that contradicted yours, and you held on to " we need all of these insects and worms because that's how it works on Earth and that's how life is and yaaay" no matter what we tried to do. If you still insist that's how things have to be, then wait till your next turn and try to do something then, and let the major gods work out how the game works and try to wrap around that. Don't be suprised when Irony denies your ability to create thousands of distinct yet mundane bugs in a single turn, though. It's not how the game works.))

((I was misinterpreting his saying that as saying that ecosystems didn't need thousands of species to function. This was because I thought that he was applying more than basic ecological laws to this game's reality, due to various things he had said.))

Don't reply to this. Don't reply to the others.

((You don't know me well, do you?
You basically called me an idiot, said I was completely wrong, said that it didn't matter that I don't think all the blame was on me, when I was apologizing and making compromises. You then tell me to not reply.
Yeah, not happening.))

no more demanding the game works a certain way,

((I wasn't demanding, or at least I wasn't trying to. I was trying to suggest that the game work in a manner different than how I thought it did, and backing up my suggestion.))

no more ignoring the other players,

((If someone claimed that anything could live no matter what, we would both ignore him. I only ignored you because of what I thought the GM was saying and how it contradicted what you were.))

Ask, and take the answer at face value.

((Um, my taking the "no bacteria" comment at face value got us into this mess...))

Drop your expectations of how you think it should be when you ask, and if the GM dosen't SAY it needs to be a certain way (in a god game, at least) then take that at face value and leave it alone.))

((The problem was, he didn't say it. Or, rather, he didn't say it clearly until the debate was well underway.))

[Tsuchigumo550]

((You don't know me well, do you?
You basically called me an idiot, said I was completely wrong, said that it didn't matter that I don't think all the blame was on me, when I was apologizing and making compromises. You then tell me to not reply.
Yeah, not happening.))

Fuck me I'm a hypocrite for doing this.
Personally I thought you were way, way further in the wrong than anyone else. It's a personal opinion I tried to keep out of that post. Not easy. Easy to see I failed. What I wasn't getting at is that it didn't matter what you thought- that does matter. My personal opinion is mine, and shouldn't reflect in that post.

The not reply bit? That was just to try and stop this endless post chain. The only reason I'm even posting this is to apologize for insulting you in that. I honestly wasn't trying to come off as haughty or anything, and I do admit that I forgot about your apology. My mistake. The space worm bit was extreme (that was late at night for me, and I was trying to give a worst-case scenario of what could happen.) This is all one huge miscommunication.

Instead of telling you to shut up like before, how about we all admit that this entire argument is one huge miscommunication and none of us were getting through to each other and the resulting chaos was painful for all parties involved? I'd admit to that. I also admit to losing track to half of this argument (face value comment) and contributing to this huge argument. I see now that you're not completely in the red. Hell, I'm in the red for getting into it as far as I did especially that last post.

Demanding was a bit strong of a word I guess, but it just seemed like nothing was changing your stance on the issue. "I was misinterpreting his saying that as saying that ecosystems didn't need thousands of species to function." puts this in perspective. Now that I understand why you were arguing, I can't blame you nearly as much as I thought I was. Dosen't mean I blame Irony, and dosen't mean I don't consider you a victim. We've all become victims in this, having to go through this.

In short, I apologize for that last post, I can understand where you were coming from and don't consider you as guilty as before, see I'm pretty guilty myself of propagating this, and hope that we can drop it together- write this off as one huge miscommunication and put it behind us for the next turn. If Irony even feels like coming back to this after the pages of shitstorm we caused. And I mean that "we". Not "you". We.

[GreatWyrmGold]

((The "This thing was a big miscommunication that everyone had a part in" was what I've been trying to support ever since I realized that Irony wasn't doing what I thought he was doing.

And I forgive you.))

[IronyOwl]

((This looks like fun although two questions 1. How does the waitlist work exactly? 2. How does the belief system work, can you steal it from other gods? or force people to worship you? ))

((1. Technically, every turn or every few turns there's a roll to see who gets dropped to the waitlist, then the next however many people on the waitlist get into the game but are subject to the same cycle.

In practice, at least so far, we've got six gods who are temporarily immune to that and thus permanent, and two slots for gods who get one turn and then get shunted out. This will become more nuanced later as people get genuine differences in Belief score.

Thus, at the moment I basically just go down the waitlist shunting the =ACTIVE= tags down to the next pair every turn. Once it's possible for some people to get shunted to the waitlist and others not to, I'll begin actually moving their names around on it where appropriate, so everybody goes to the bottom when they're done.


2. You can't steal it from other gods like you could gold coins, no. There's no direct way to steal World-based Belief either, though theoretically if you could annihilate someone's creation entirely you'd eliminate the Belief they get from it.

Once mortals come into the picture, though, stealing Belief becomes a bit more feasible. For one thing, you can theoretically shove out someone else's creations with your own, causing any worship they might have gotten from that to go to you instead. Of course, that's easier said than done; usually it means either making a better resource (which isn't the same as more valuable or powerful or similar, since those would also be rarer) or having one of your created species displace theirs.

Forcing mortals to worship you is theoretically possible but tricky. You'd probably need some divine taskmasters enslaving them/enforcing it at the very least.))

((The "This thing was a big miscommunication that everyone had a part in" was what I've been trying to support ever since I realized that Irony wasn't doing what I thought he was doing.

And I forgive you.))

((I shall endeavor to be very blunt and simple with you in the future.))

[GreatWyrmGold]

((As long as you're also clear, works for me.))

[Corsair]

((Sign me up))

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Name: Eumilia the Maiden

Appearance:Never given a definite form or appearance by her followers she is normally depicted as the Crescent moon or rarely as a beautiful maiden cloaked in flowing cowled robes that conceal her entirely except for her mouth and neck. When she manifests in the mortal word she is a maiden dressed in white robes echoing the rare images of her form, although she never perfectly matches them.

Personality: Like the celestial bodies Eumilia changes over the cycle of the spheres; during the warmer months she becomes sedentary and mild creating little but learning hidden knowlege voraciously, while in the cooler months especially during the deepest parts of winter she becomes more active using the knowledge gathered during the warm months to advance her people, assist those who she finds
"worthy"(which normally means "interesting") in their quests and Creating new things. So while her mood swings between adventurous & liberal to Sedentary & strict she always retains an aspect of virtue.

Spheres:The act of Creation, The Lost & Forbidden, The Celestial bodies of the Night

[ScriptWolf]

Bump for turn ? Don't let this die please!

[Lukeinator]

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Name: The Grim one
Appearance: Graves, stonework, pikes
Personality: A deity that speaks to no one only writes.
Spheres:Stone, Writing, Death

[Lukeinator]

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Name: The Grim one
Appearance: A tall man in a gray coat with a pike in one hand an a skull with writing on it in the other.
Personality: A deity that speaks to no one only writes.
Spheres:Stone, Writing, Death