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StLeibowitz

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Re: DF from scratch: The entirely player-made universe succession.
« Reply #1830 on: September 06, 2013, 10:47:38 pm »

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[ETHIC:ASSAULT:PUNISH_CAPITAL]
[ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_KILL:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_OTHER:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:KILL_ANIMAL:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:KILL_ENEMY:ONLY_IF_SANCTIONED]
[ETHIC:KILL_ENTITY_MEMBER:ONLY_IF_SANCTIONED]
[ETHIC:KILL_NEUTRAL:PERSONAL_MATTER]
[ETHIC:KILL_PLANT:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:LYING:UNTHINKABLE]
[ETHIC:MAKE_TROPHY_ANIMAL:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:MAKE_TROPHY_SAME_RACE:UNTHINKABLE]
[ETHIC:MAKE_TROPHY_SAPIENT:PERSONAL_MATTER]
[ETHIC:OATH_BREAKING:UNTHINKABLE]
[ETHIC:SLAVERY:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:THEFT:PUNISH_SERIOUS]
[ETHIC:TORTURE_ANIMALS:MISGUIDED]
[ETHIC:TORTURE_AS_EXAMPLE:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:TORTURE_FOR_FUN:APPALLING]
[ETHIC:TORTURE_FOR_INFORMATION:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:TREASON:UNTHINKABLE]
[ETHIC:TRESPASSING:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:VANDALISM:PUNISH_REPRIMAND]

Formic ethics are based around what my view of what a hive of insects organized around a racial caste system would likely follow. Trespassing and theft aren't punished harshly if at all, since everything belongs to the Queen anyways (though stealing could be viewed as and punished as stealing from the Queen herself), while treason is utterly unthinkable. Oaths are similarly inviolable. Lying is unthinkable because of the aforementioned communal views on property ownership - information being property.

Spider-Centaurs:
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"Ethics? We have what, now?"
[ETHIC:ASSAULT:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_KILL:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_OTHER:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:KILL_ANIMAL:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:KILL_ENEMY:REQUIRED]
[ETHIC:KILL_ENTITY_MEMBER:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:KILL_NEUTRAL:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:KILL_PLANT:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:LYING:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:MAKE_TROPHY_ANIMAL:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:MAKE_TROPHY_SAME_RACE:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:MAKE_TROPHY_SAPIENT:REQUIRED]
[ETHIC:OATH_BREAKING:JUSTIFIED_IF_NO_REPERCUSSIONS]
[ETHIC:SLAVERY:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:THEFT:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:TORTURE_ANIMALS:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:TORTURE_AS_EXAMPLE:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:TORTURE_FOR_FUN:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:TORTURE_FOR_INFORMATION:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:TREASON:PERSONAL_MATTER]
[ETHIC:TRESPASSING:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:VANDALISM:ACCEPTABLE]

Spider-Centaur ethical codes mainly consist of "whatever we can get away with without being murdered by the victim, and then some, is allowed." I imagine their race is confined to barbarism because any spider-centaur with a half ounce of common sense and a set of working legs has hightailed it out of the towers and lives as a solitary paranoiac hermit in the tropics, unwilling to give you the time of day much less share any philosophical thoughts they might have had with you.
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Re: DF from scratch: The entirely player-made universe succession.
« Reply #1831 on: September 06, 2013, 10:54:29 pm »

Now I wonder...

Which race is more ethically bankrupt? Spider-Centaurs or Vanilla Goblins?
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Zanzetkuken The Great

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Re: DF from scratch: The entirely player-made universe succession.
« Reply #1832 on: September 06, 2013, 10:55:27 pm »

So...I guess Lizardfolk can't eat a sentient that's still alive?

Correct.  They aren't barbaric.  They're practical, and you're able to cook dead stuff easier.

Now I wonder...

Which race is more ethically bankrupt? Spider-Centaurs or Vanilla Goblins?

Spider Centaurs.  At least Vanilla Goblins have PERSONAL_MATTER for everything, rather than ACCEPTABLE and REQUIRED.
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« Reply #1833 on: September 06, 2013, 11:06:21 pm »

Hmm...don't those Ethics mean they can't scavenge? They have to kill it themselves?
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Re: DF from scratch: The entirely player-made universe succession.
« Reply #1834 on: September 06, 2013, 11:08:04 pm »

Hmm...don't those Ethics mean they can't scavenge? They have to kill it themselves?

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Re: DF from scratch: The entirely player-made universe succession.
« Reply #1835 on: September 06, 2013, 11:09:28 pm »

Now I wonder...

Which race is more ethically bankrupt? Spider-Centaurs or Vanilla Goblins?

Spider Centaurs.  At least Vanilla Goblins have PERSONAL_MATTER for everything, rather than ACCEPTABLE and REQUIRED.

You're not a man in spider-centaur society until you've committed at least three felonies and mounted the stuffed head of a romantic rival above your front door. The taxidermy business in their towers is thriving :D
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It's like DF inhaled a peanut.

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« Reply #1836 on: September 06, 2013, 11:30:51 pm »

Evil regions must be 100x more terrifying in this mod.

Undead giant bugs anyone?
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« Reply #1837 on: September 06, 2013, 11:57:28 pm »

I didn't know there even was a required tag for ethics. if it works how I think it should evil biomes are going to be quite interesting in my turn  :D
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Re: DF from scratch: The entirely player-made universe succession.
« Reply #1838 on: September 07, 2013, 01:01:18 am »

I have a few conceptual drawings I did during my turn, I think I will post them tomorrow. I wish I could do more, but I have the same predicament as many here, taking lots of honors classes and just can't really afford the time. Also, what host should I use for images so that they directly link to the forum?
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« Reply #1839 on: September 07, 2013, 01:40:35 am »

imageshack is often a favorite.

For my part, I'm having a blast just reading everyone's posts each day.  It's part of my breakfast/evening reading.
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« Reply #1840 on: September 07, 2013, 03:12:24 am »

Yeah, I have checked this thread at least once a day since I signed up for my turn a few months ago, so I think we have done well in producing something so genuinely entertaining.
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Re: DF from scratch: The entirely player-made universe succession.
« Reply #1841 on: September 07, 2013, 09:43:36 am »

I've tried a number of image hosting services, and imgur.com is by far the best of the lot.
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« Reply #1842 on: September 07, 2013, 11:18:27 am »

I second imgur. No account needed and no bandwidth limitations, though that may be a non-issue for this case.
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Generally, when one is conducting an experiment, it is worth noting that the observers went insane, killed each other, and then rose from the dead.
It's like DF inhaled a peanut.

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« Reply #1843 on: September 07, 2013, 02:24:18 pm »

How much do you reckon will have to be redone when the next version of DF comes out?

Trees are the most obvious one.
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« Reply #1844 on: September 07, 2013, 02:35:44 pm »

Trees and attacks.
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