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[Halfling]

I would be interested to see what happens when a palanquin arrives at your fort as a forgotten beast.

@Meph: body_RCP raws were replaced with blank raws of the same name to silence error messages, and one (RCP_GLOSS_PAW) was removed entirely - this disables random creature generation completely until we have enough material to make our own. But I am not convinced it is using the first creatures in the raws as there's a variety of "normal" creatures it sends roaming the underground now, like Hugo listed.

@Hugo - by the way, did you ever watch The Future is Wild? Because there's this.

[WillowLuman]

What the actual F*ck

Squid gibbons? Hmm.....

[Halfling]

Well, if you want lots of ideas for creatures, watch that documentary series. I didn't now... just coming here to check back occasionally between doing other things... but IIRC the scientists suggest i.a. birds could in hundreds of millions of years lose in the evolutionary struggle to flying fish that would develop into various land-dwelling "flish". All with a realistic description of their life and ecology. I was wondering from the start whether the idea of land squids could have come from there since that's the theme of this episode, but apparently it was just a happy coincidence.

Feel free to make them a tree-dwelling civilization if it inspires your fancy

[WillowLuman]

Sadly, no tree-dwelling civilizations until the next release 

Well it is inspiring but now I feel somewhat unoriginal. Anyway, I notice they didn't do any land nautiloids, so that's still good.

Gave the Mactopus a pummel attack so they don't use the bite except as a last resort. It should realistically be very hard for such a large cephalopod to bite mid-struggle as the beak is beneath the body. Also, it was somewhat overpowered at their size. Anyway, should you tame them, they will fill their pastures with dead bank voles

With that, moving on to third cephalopod.

[Halfling]

Sadly, no tree-dwelling civilizations until the next release 

Not as sites, but it would be pretty hilarious to have a giant octopus demand you cut fewer trees. Incidentally those diplomats should work for us even though they're bugged in vanilla, without any dfhacking, if done right (http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2012:Diplomat)

Also thing is, with every idea, it's been done before regardless of whether you know about it or not. Take it as inspiration while making what you think is cool.

[WillowLuman]

What if there were some gargantuan, demonic Anteater megabeast that was the ancestral enemy of Formics and Zerg?

[sackhead]

well i have made me patch just pop it into your objects folder and replace any folders. it wont brake saves.
i have added the [SPECIAL] tag to the alchemical raws. as well as fixing the anvil and apple tree reactions.
link is here
i have no idea how to fix the other bugs but this should work on those ones.

[WillowLuman]

Just a note:
It would seem that eye tissue has WAY too much bleed associated with it. Arena testing shows that any injury to the eye causes bleedout lightning fast. To remedy this, I have removed [MAJOR_ARTERIES] from the eye tissue template. The only arteries in real eyes are relatively small, and should not even come close to the bleedout caused by puncturing the heart if punctured.

[WillowLuman]

Got a problem. I've made an armored herbivore, but the armor isn't working quite right. It seems to turn away almost every attack (a bit too strong), but the attacks that damage just seem to ignore it. They don't chip or fracture the armor layer, they just tear the skin and muscle underneath and leave the armor layer untouched!

It seems like the weapons cannot penetrate the armor layer, but sometimes they just ignore it and damage the creature as if the armor didn't exist.

Spoiler: creature (click to show/hide)

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[CREATURE:PANSERBLEKK_HUGOL]
[DESCRIPTION:A large, landbound ceohalopod with a hide covered in armored scutes. They roam in vast herds through the cold lands.]
[NAME:panserblekk:panserblekks:panserblekk]
[CASTE_NAME:panserblekk:panserblekks:panserblekk]
[GENERAL_CHILD_NAME:blekksprut-barn:blekksprut-barns]
[CREATURE_TILE:'P'][COLOR:6:0:0]
[PREFSTRING:armor]
[PREFSTRING:ability to stay warm]
[CREATURE_CLASS:ALL]
[CREATURE_CLASS:INVERTEBRATE][CREATURE_CLASS:CEPHALOPOD][CREATURE_CLASS:CEPHALOPOD_LAND]

[BODY:CEPHALOPOD_MANTLE:CEPHALOPOD_FACE:CEPHALOPOD_8ARMS_STANCE:CEPHALOPOD_BRAINS]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:CORE_MATERIALS_HLG]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:CORE_TISSUES_HLG]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:CEPHALOPOD_CHITIN_HUGOL]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:CEPHALOPOD_SHELL_HUGOL]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:CEPHALOPOD_LAYERS_HUGOL]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:CEPHALOPOD_LAYERS_ARMORED_HUGOL]

[BLOOD:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:BLOOD:LIQUID]
[NOBONES]

[NATURAL][BENIGN][GRAZER:255]
[LARGE_ROAMING][ALL_ACTIVE]
[BIOME:TUNDRA][BIOME:TAIGA][BIOME:FOREST_TEMPERATE_CONIFER][BIOME:MOUNTAIN]
[FREQUENCY:50]
[POPULATION_NUMBER:200:2000]
[CLUSTER_NUMBER:13:20]
[PET_EXOTIC][PETVALUE:300]
[MOUNT_EXOTIC][WAGON_PULLER]

[NATURAL_SKILL:WRESTLING:8]
[ATTACK:PUMMEL:BODYPART:BY_CATEGORY:ARM]
[ATTACK_SKILL:GRASP_STRIKE]
[ATTACK_VERB:pummel:pummels]
[ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:20]
[ATTACK_FLAG_WITH]
[ATTACK_PRIORITY:MAIN]
[ATTACK:BITE:BODYPART:BY_CATEGORY:MOUTH]
[ATTACK_SKILL:BITE]
[ATTACK_VERB:bite:bites]
[ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:50]
[ATTACK_PENETRATION_PERC:100]
[ATTACK_FLAG_EDGE]
[ATTACK_PRIORITY:SECOND]

[BODY_SIZE:0:0:20000]
[BODY_SIZE:1:0:80000]
[BODY_SIZE:4:0:260000]
[CHILD:3]
[MAXAGE:15:27]

[HOMEOTHERM:10058]
[HAS_NERVES][GETS_WOUND_INFECTIONS][GETS_INFECTIONS_FROM_ROT]
[SWIMS_INNATE][SWIM_SPEED:1950]

[CASTE:FEMALE]
[FEMALE]
[CASTE:MALE]
[MALE]
[SELECT_CASTE:ALL]
[SELECT_TISSUE:MUSCLE]
[TL_VASCULAR:2]

Spoiler: body detail plans (click to show/hide)

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[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:CEPHALOPOD_LAYERS_HUGOL]
[BP_LAYERS:BY_CATEGORY:TORSO:MUSCLE:100:FAT:10:SKIN:1]
[BP_LAYERS:BY_CATEGORY:HEART:MUSCLE:25:FAT:10]
[BP_LAYERS:BY_CATEGORY:LUNG:ORGAN_TISSUE:100]
[BP_LAYERS:BY_CATEGORY:GUT:ORGAN_TISSUE:100]
[BP_LAYERS:BY_CATEGORY:BRAIN:NERVE_TISSUE:100]
[BP_LAYERS:BY_CATEGORY:EYE:EYE:20]


[BP_LAYERS:BY_CATEGORY:MOUTH:MUSCLE:25:CHITIN:100]

[BP_LAYERS:BY_CATEGORY:ARMBASE:MUSCLE:100:FAT:10:SKIN:1]
[BP_LAYERS:BY_CATEGORY:ARM:MUSCLE:100:FAT:10:SKIN:1]

[BP_POSITION:BY_CATEGORY:MOUTH:BOTTOM]
[BP_POSITION:BY_CATEGORY:ARMBASE:BOTTOM]
[BP_POSITION:BY_CATEGORY:EYE:FRONT]

[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:CEPHALOPOD_LAYERS_ARMORED_HUGOL]
[BP_LAYERS_OVER:BY_CATEGORY:TORSO:SHELL:50]
[BP_LAYERS_OVER:BY_CATEGORY:ARMBASE:SHELL:50]
[BP_LAYERS_OVER:BY_CATEGORY:ARM:SHELL:50]

Spoiler: armor tissue (click to show/hide)

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[TISSUE_TEMPLATE:SHELL_TISSUE_TEMPLATE_HUGOL]
[TISSUE_NAME:shell:NP]
[TISSUE_MATERIAL:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SHELL]
[RELATIVE_THICKNESS:5]
[HEALING_RATE:100]
[VASCULAR:0]
[PAIN_RECEPTORS:1]
[CONNECTS]
[STRUCTURAL]
[TISSUE_SHAPE:LAYER]

Spoiler: armor material (click to show/hide)

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[MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SHELL_TEMPLATE_HUGOL] used Halfling's teeth, as both shell and teeth are made of a calcium enamel.
[STATE_COLOR:ALL_SOLID:CREAM]
[MATERIAL_VALUE:1][STATE_NAME:ALL_SOLID:shell]
[STATE_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:shell]
[STATE_COLOR:LIQUID:WHITE]
[STATE_NAME:LIQUID:shell slurry]
[STATE_ADJ:LIQUID:shell slurry]
[STATE_COLOR:GAS:WHITE]
[STATE_NAME:GAS:shell ashes]
[STATE_ADJ:GAS:shell ash]
[DISPLAY_COLOR:7:0:1]
[SPEC_HEAT:1000]
[IGNITE_POINT:10300]
[MELTING_POINT:11000]
[BOILING_POINT:12000]
[HEATDAM_POINT:10200]
[COLDDAM_POINT:9950]
[SOLID_DENSITY:1500]
[LIQUID_DENSITY:1000]
[IMPACT_YIELD:400000]
[IMPACT_FRACTURE:400000]
[COMPRESSIVE_YIELD:400000]
[COMPRESSIVE_FRACTURE:400000]
[TENSILE_YIELD:200000]
[TENSILE_FRACTURE:200000]
[TORSION_YIELD:200000]
[TORSION_FRACTURE:200000]
[SHEAR_YIELD:200000]
[SHEAR_FRACTURE:200000]
[BENDING_YIELD:200000]
[BENDING_FRACTURE:200000]
[MAX_EDGE:100]
[ABSORPTION:100]
[IMPLIES_ANIMAL_KILL]
[SHELL]
[ITEMS_SCALED]
[ITEMS_HARD]
[ITEMS_AMMO]

[kopout]

maybe think of it as finding chinks in otherwise impenetrable armour?

Hmm. What's the error log look like? The body raws?

[WillowLuman]

No error log at all, it's just unwanted behavior. I don't want attacks to ignore the armor, I want them to break through it.

Here's all the body parts in the creature, though I doubt the problem stems from them:

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[BODY:CEPHALOPOD_MANTLE]
[BP:MANTLE:mantle:STP][UPPERBODY][CATEGORY:TORSO]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:1200]
[BP:HEART:heart:STP][CON:MANTLE][CIRCULATION][INTERNAL][SMALL][CATEGORY:HEART]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:100]
[BP:LUNGS:respiratory sack:NP][CON:MANTLE][BREATHE][INTERNAL][SMALL][CATEGORY:LUNG]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:400]
[BP:GUT:digestive tract:NP][CON:MANTLE][GUTS][INTERNAL][UNDER_PRESSURE][SMALL][CATEGORY:GUT]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:300]

[BODY:CEPHALOPOD_8ARMS_STANCE]
[BP:LBASE1:first arm base:STP][LEFT][EMBEDDED][SMALL][CATEGORY:ARMBASE][CON:MANTLE]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:200]
[BP:LBASE2:second arm base:STP][LEFT][EMBEDDED][SMALL][CATEGORY:ARMBASE][CON:MANTLE]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:200]
[BP:LBASE3:third arm base:STP][LEFT][EMBEDDED][SMALL][CATEGORY:ARMBASE][CON:MANTLE]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:200]
[BP:LBASE4:fourth arm base:STP][LEFT][EMBEDDED][SMALL][CATEGORY:ARMBASE][CON:MANTLE]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:200]
[BP:RBASE1:fifth arm base:STP][RIGHT][EMBEDDED][SMALL][CATEGORY:ARMBASE][CON:MANTLE]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:200]
[BP:RBASE2:sixth arm base:STP][RIGHT][EMBEDDED][SMALL][CATEGORY:ARMBASE][CON:MANTLE]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:200]
[BP:RBASE3:seventh arm base:STP][RIGHT][EMBEDDED][SMALL][CATEGORY:ARMBASE][CON:MANTLE]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:200]
[BP:RBASE4:eight arm base:STP][RIGHT][EMBEDDED][SMALL][CATEGORY:ARMBASE][CON:MANTLE]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:200]

[BP:LARM1:first arm:STP][LEFT][LIMB][GRASP][STANCE][CATEGORY:ARM][CON:LBASE1]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:800]
[BP:LARM2:second arm:STP][LEFT][LIMB][GRASP][STANCE][CATEGORY:ARM][CON:LBASE2]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:800]
[BP:LARM3:third arm:STP][LEFT][LIMB][GRASP][STANCE][CATEGORY:ARM][CON:LBASE3]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:800]
[BP:LARM4:fourth arm:STP][LEFT][LIMB][GRASP][STANCE][CATEGORY:ARM][CON:LBASE4]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:800]
[BP:RARM1:fifth arm:STP][RIGHT][LIMB][GRASP][STANCE][CATEGORY:ARM][CON:RBASE1]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:800]
[BP:RARM2:sixth arm:STP][RIGHT][LIMB][GRASP][STANCE][CATEGORY:ARM][CON:RBASE2]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:800]
[BP:RARM3:seventh arm:STP][RIGHT][LIMB][GRASP][STANCE][CATEGORY:ARM][CON:RBASE3]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:800]
[BP:RARM4:eighth arm:STP][RIGHT][LIMB][GRASP][STANCE][CATEGORY:ARM][CON:RBASE4]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:800]

[BODY:CEPHALOPOD_BRAINS]
[BP:BRAIN:brain segment:STP][CON_CAT:ARMBASE][INTERNAL][SMALL][THOUGHT][CATEGORY:BRAIN]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:90]

[BODY:CEPHALOPOD_FACE]
[BP:REYE:right eye:STP][CON:MANTLE][SIGHT][EMBEDDED][SMALL][RIGHT][CATEGORY:EYE]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:30]
[BP:LEYE:left eye:STP][CON:MANTLE][SIGHT][EMBEDDED][SMALL][LEFT][CATEGORY:EYE]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:30]
[BP:MOUTH:beak:STP][CON:MANTLE][MOUTH][INTERNAL][SMALL][APERTURE][CATEGORY:MOUTH]
[DEFAULT_RELSIZE:40]

[kopout]

Well, I'm not an expert but I think maybe the problem is that you trying to add layers above the body part instead of above the skin. Try instead [BP_LAYERS_OVER:BY_CATEGORY:SKIN:SHELL:50] see if that helps. What happens when you butcher one in the arena?

[WillowLuman]

It does drop shell when butchered, amongst all the usual stuff.

I'm don't your fix will work, but I'll try it. Problem is, body detail plans add layers relative to body parts, not tissues. Wiki says BP_LAYERS_OVER adds the layers on top of the existing ones.

Tested, I was right. Didn't work.

[WillowLuman]

Putnam informs me it's just a display issue, and checking the wounds screen confirms it. So, an annoying bug, but doesn't really effect mechanics.

[kopout]

Ah, ok. It was just a shot in the dark any way. Sorry I couldn't be more help