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[mainiac]

Afaik, Kings not of your dejure empire will always ask for independance.

I never played CKII but it draws my interest. What's "de jure" and what basis does it have?

De jure is the long standing boundaries of the various kingdoms recognized by traditions.  So if England takes Normandy from France, Normandy will be part of England "de facto", but everyone recognizes that it's traditionally part of France.  So a duke in Normandy can try to revolt away from England, the French king can wage wars to take back the counties and peasant revolts might spring up against the English king.  After 50 years of holding the complete duchy, it will change it's de jure owner.

[Dutchling]

Finished my turn! (or just scroll up)

Save!

[PanH]

After 100 years of holding the complete duchy, it will change it's de jure owner.

But yeah, each duchy is de jure part of a kingdom (which can change), and each kingdom is de jure part of an empire.

Also, I'm happy you died before changing the succession law, the Butavas will rule !

[Dutchling]

Yeah. It would have been a shame if I would have been able to elect my daughter to inherit. Who is also betrothed to the Byzantine Emperor...

[mainiac]

How long is this game going to go for?  Doesn't look like there is much meaningful challenge left at this point.

[Dutchling]

Keeping the Byzzie throne in our dynasty has been quite a challenge so far

[Digital Hellhound]

I hope you can wait a few days for my go. I remain trapped in the horrible experience called... *shudder* vacation in sunny South France.

If you can't wait I will be devastated. DEVASTATED.

[mainiac]

Your avatar is quite appropriate.

[FritzPL]

I'm skipping my next turn because am going camping for 3 weeks. Back by 1st of August.

[Digital Hellhound]

Alright, played quite a bit in.

At Dutchling's insistence, I decided the Emperor was indeed a layabout hippie. Muahahaha.

Spoiler: The Diary of Emperor Butavas the Fourth, Part I (click to show/hide)

Dear Diary,

Today, I became Emperor.

Pretty sweet, right? Well, it turns out Dad had gotten involved in Bitchface Douchebag Lasuka's civil wars and I'm expected to keep on doing that. Jeez, thanks, Dad. And what's the point of being an Emperor if you can't do what you want?



Before anything else, I want to take a moment to address all the ways my Dad sucked. One, he was always bitching about my hair and clothes and stuff, saying it was 'unbecoming of an Emperor' and whatever. Two, he married me to my aunt. Eww. And I know he did it just to get at me - never gonna touch that. Three, he tried to remove me from the succession somehow, which is totally douchey any way you look at it. And four, I'm pretty sure he'd have killed me sooner or later.

But hey, guess who's Emperor now, and guess who's DEAD? Pffffffffffft. Didn't see that coming, huh, Dad?

Though I guess he did have one good idea;



Pfffft haha, look at the Pope dance! I like to invite Christian rulers to my palace and call him out to them. I mean, we didn't even need to give him a new funny hat! He's... waitforit... Hilarius!



I also have to talk about the Byzantine Emperor, Lasuka. Also known as a TOTAL FUCKFACE. I mean, I was pretty negative about Dad before, but this guy... just this guy. I'm not a violent guy - my dad called me a coward, but I'm just chill, y'know, no need to worry about stuff too much? - but this worthless puddle of total and utter assholiness? Bear with me here, I'm gonna write a small list of why this 'Emperor' is the worst person to have ever walked the earth. First of all, [...]

The following pages are sadly missing.



So the war has been going on and on. I heard it's killed most of the male population over there or something, but I dunno. I haven't visited.

In other news, a lot of my court were worried about my uncle, so I told my spymistress to head over and ask him what's wrong. I didn't even talk about any kind of factions, but man, he just got super-defensive and made this weird promise.



But hey, I'm not complaining.



You know I said I'd never touch my wife, who's also my aunt? Yeah... I don't know the specifics here, but my smokin'-hot concubine Ermengard (or as I like to call her, Ermagerd. That's all she pretty much says when I talk to her) tells me I was very, very drunk when this, uhh, got started? So I guess it's okay then.

I'm gonna name the kid Palemon. I figure it should make the gods happy.



War's started winding down. Of course, no thanks from Bitchface. I took another two concubines to celebrate - these Greek chicks they dragged in, both daughters of some dude or other.

On a crumbled page.



OH HOLD THE HELL UP. So just this morning I heard that there's a rebellion going on on behalf of my uncle, the King of Rus. He's not doing anything, but I'm keeping my eye on him. Half of the realm is rebelling and neither the Carpathian Emperor or Bitchface is going to help me - so much for family, huh?



Well, when I say 'not gonna help me', I mean 'THREATENED TO ASSASSINATE ME'. I tried to help him, and this is how he rewards me. Gods.



Several pages later

This war is never gonna end. Ugggh.



I have a daughter! With one of the Greek chicks. I named her Roze. Wish I could just get back to the palace already, but no, we just fight and fight on. You'd think these rebels would've given up already, but they have the gall to claim they're actually winning. The marshal thinks they just need to be beaten around some time more. It's not like they have anywhere to turn to for allies.



The contents of these pages have been compiled as the 'Curses and Insults of Medieval Wendia: An Illustrated Guide' (Vilnius University Press), recommended for all students of the period.



I'm not proud of what I did. But there's a limit to what a man can take. Gods know I had more patience than most. Bitchface's sister, the new Empress, still won't help me, but I guess you can't have everything. Now, I'll see if I can negotiate my money back from all the times they botched the job.



I sort-of misplaced one of my daughters. Or well, she did turn up again - in the hands of the rebels. Her mother is even more upset than usual.



Surrender, at last! I merely imprisoned and took their titles for myself - let no-one say I am not a merciful liege! Finally, some peace. I'm gonna take a long, hard look at my life and find out where I went wrong.



It was heathens. I haven't killed enough heathens.

Several pages later.



Okay, so maybe killing heathens wasn't the answer, but I'm not gonna say it wasn't worthwhile. East Francia - that is, Germany, now - is mine, and I'm just getting started.

In other news, half of my realm has somehow ended up in the hands of the Carpathians. I've decided to take offense.





It turned out that the Carpathian Emperor's vassals much preferred my iron fist to his iron baby gloves, so all in all, this war didn't take all that long. Bohemia and Pommerania are back in the Wendish fold.

The remainder of the Emperor's journals remain untranslated.

Gonna continue/possibly finish tomorrow. This kinda bloated, hehe. Apologies for the big images.

Fun Fact: Emperor Bitchface of the Byzantines was descended from my King's lovely daughter. I knew they'd strike it big someday. *tear in eye*

[Dutchling]

Sweet

[PanH]

I'm going to be unable to post for a week or so, so skip my turn I guess 

[Digital Hellhound]

Not gonna bother with a Part 2. Rest assured I helped keep the Byzzie Empress on the throne and chilled around, slight expansion. Also, I left the Empires in wonderful state for my successor. Bwahaah. Don't blame me for his traits, either, he wasn't supposed to inherit.

Here goes the save.

[Ghazkull]

gah i just realized that its my turn


will play a turn sunday if thats okay

[Ghazkull]

Part 1: Year 1137

At the Age of 32 Kunos I takes the Throne of the Mightiest Man in the Known World: Emperor of the Wendish Empire

Spoiler:  The Greater Wendland (click to show/hide)

The Lands of the Wends and in extension the Dynasty of Palemonaitis includes Carpathia, Byzantine Empire and the Wendish Empire itself, From the Rhine to the Volga, From Northern Finland to Southern Italy the Empire is the largest Sovereign Nation in Europe...apart from one.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

The Baturayid Sultanate is the only force which can rival our power...otherwise there is no major power left in Europe. Sure in the North the Norwegian King and his Norse followers are about to form Scandinavia, but to be honest i like him and do not wish to conquer these cold forbidding lands. In the West the Remaining Christian Karlings are ripepd apart by Religious Disagreements as the Lollardist movement threatens to rise against the Catholic Pope.

Other Notable Kingdoms include Croatia which managed to hold out against my Kinsmen of Carpathia and Byzantine and the Marawanid Sultanate in Spain, which is fighting agains tonrushing Babarians from the Black Continent.

I haven't even ruled half a year as suddenly my vassals start to claim that the rightful Ruler of Wendland would be my Cousin of God knows what degree. He is a spawn fo some Cadet Line ruling over the German Bavaria.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

The First big Battle begins at Nürnberg, where the Soldiers of the Bohemian Duchess meet with the still loyal men of my Bavarian Cousin. Ironically he is leading the troops against her, while my Personal Army of Twenty Thousand Men sieges Praha. THe Battle of Nürnberg is a massacre, we lose nearly eight thousand men before my soldiers manage a retreat.

And just like that, the rbellion is over. My Cousin fighting and dying in the battle was confirmed dead. He is indeed a loyal man, living a quiet life in a mansion on the Courlandish Coast...

But i am not the only one having trouble with rebellious Lords. My Kinsman Diogenes of Byzantine has asked for help in his own Civil War. I decided to send a Expedition Force of Eighty Thousand Soldiers.