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[Frumple]

Among other things, yeah. I'd love to see something done with it, but frankly from what I saw just doing a mass change like that, going through and adjusting, well, basically everything, would be a hell of a task

And D4's spell list is... not exactly ordered, near as I can tell. You'd basically have to go through each and every spell individually, check if it's something that needs adjusting, adjust it, and... yeah. There's around 900 and a bit spells in D4 and they're just kinda' scattered about the spell IDs. Don't wanna'

E: Other things like Lemuria! Or ermor, I guess. But seriously:

Spoiler: Look at 'em go (click to show/hide)

And before you ask what fifty billion grand lemurs are going to do without research, it's called "Summon fifty billion lemur consuls".

E2:

Spoiler: Wheeee (click to show/hide)

This is from... three turns later? One turn of consul summoning, plus about four or five I had before that turn. 125 consuls. So much lag ;_;

[Delta Foxtrot]

Dominions 4 is -50% off on Gamersgate (again). The sale should be on for the next six days. As usual the GG key can be redeemed for Steam if you want to link the game to your steam account.
Link.

It's great fun. Join us. Join uuuuuuus.

[Niveras]

50% on steam for the week.

[BFEL]

So, question: I have Dominions 3.

Is there any real reason for me to get Dom4?
I mean, to be honest it sounds like its exactly the same game.

[Shadowgandor]

So, question: I have Dominions 3.

Is there any real reason for me to get Dom4?
I mean, to be honest it sounds like its exactly the same game.

It's pretty much Dom3, only improved in every way. Whether you want to spend money on that or no is your decision. I'm still not sure whether I feel it was worth the money

[snelg]

There's a lot of improvements, changes and additions to various mechanics all over the game but the basics is still pretty much the same. However they're also continuing to update Dom4 as opposed to Dom3 which is done. If you can get it on sale especially I'd say it's definitely worth it if you enjoy the game.

[Delta Foxtrot]

This came up in the 401 MP thread a while back:

It's not a revolutionary improvement. It's an evolutionary one. It's probably along the lines of Dom1->Dom2 in terms of scope. A lot of UI improvements, rule refinements and rebalancings, new mechanics (e.g. thrones, revamped fortresses, non-fortress recruitment for certain nations, poptype-based PD, etc. etc.), improved modding functionality, a number of new nations (EA Phoneticians and Babylonians, EA Machaka, MA Bogarus, Carrion Woods/Soulgate as freestanding nations, Oceania split in two), some new pretenders, a lot of enrichment to underground and underwater play (e.g., new native poptypes and summons, aquatic PD for non-aquatic nations), updated graphics for a lot of old units... It's mostly (mostly) small changes, but it's a lot of small changes. I'd say it's worth it.

[Neonivek]

As silly as it sounds I kind of wanted there to be even more pretenders then the 4th had, especially for the under water races.

[snelg]

Devlog mentions new pretenders for the next update if I understand it right, not sure exactly what they are though.

http://jaffa.illwinter.com/dom4/dom4log.html

[Culise]

As silly as it sounds I kind of wanted there to be even more pretenders then the 4th had, especially for the under water races.

I don't think it's silly at all.  I'm still hoping for an underwater revamp to match the cave revamp.  Pelagia and Oceania could do with some serious love; Oceania wasn't wonderful in Dom3, and the split did neither of them any real favours.  These nations and underwater pretenders in general both have a serious problem with path diversity (Water path isn't nearly the "win button" of Astral, Death, or Blood), and more pretenders could help quite a bit with that. 

Oh, and EA Rus. ^_^

[E. Albright]

Devlog mentions new pretenders for the next update if I understand it right, not sure exactly what they are though.

Based on the names, Maharishi and Raksharani should be a great guru and a raksha queen. As for "Caelum gods", yeah, no idea. Presumably something Zoroastern. But the next patch looks like Caelum is getting a serious massaging, so it should be interesting.

[Bluerobin]

I'm really excited about Caelum changes. I was a little surprised at how similar they were to Dom 3, but I guess I was comparing them to nations like Ermor that has schismed in to whole separate nations.

[USEC_OFFICER]

Based on the names, Maharishi and Raksharani should be a great guru and a raksha queen. As for "Caelum gods", yeah, no idea. Presumably something Zoroastern. But the next patch looks like Caelum is getting a serious massaging, so it should be interesting.

Awesome. As a fan of the birds, I wonder what kind of stuff Caelum is going to get? Slightly better mages would be nice start...

[E. Albright]

I couldn't help but notice that "seasonal mages" was added in the change log at the same time that the Caelum changes started popping up in there. So I'm kinda tempted to think there may be some coming of those for them.

[USEC_OFFICER]

I couldn't help but notice that "seasonal mages" was added in the change log at the same time that the Caelum changes started popping up in there. So I'm kinda tempted to think there may be some coming of those for them.

So maybe special mages that they can only recruit during the wintertime? That actually sounds pretty interesting. Depends on their paths though.