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[Sheb]

Hopefully Vector's too normal to hit me.

[Blargityblarg]

That's enough of this tangent.

[PanH]

Yes, back on the topic of ... nukes ? How did nukes got in the multiculturalism thread ?
Forget that, I don't want to know.

[Sheb]

Yeah, I'd be thankgul if someone could sum up the discussion pre-derail.

[Scoops Novel]

I'd appreciate a better thread title.To immigrants, i suspect this is a obvious question. Edit: returned to it's original state, for posterity.

[Loud Whispers]

I'd appreciate a better thread title.To immigrants, i suspect this is a obvious question.

What about immigrants?

[Scoops Novel]

I knew there was a problem with reading comprehension. And memory. Think of it in the light that rather then a specific group being wrong, it's self evident to said group though it might not be to others?

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Question like that is not something easy to answer, because that varies from culture to culture. Some cultures are more compatible, some less, some can't be combined at all

[Loud Whispers]

I knew there was a problem with reading comprehension. And memory. Think of it in the light that rather then a specific group being wrong, it's self evident to said group though it might not be to others?

Pardon me, I didn't notice the separate clauses due to your inability to space words.

[Scoops Novel]

I wonder what else i could be going on about, Loud Whispers? Given everything I've ever posted in every thread you've ever been in for a year and a bit? Moving on, a better question is more likely to warrant answers fleshed out beyond yes/no, and likely bring less derailing.

Question like that is not something easy to answer, because that varies from culture to culture. Some cultures are more compatible, some less, some can't be combined at all

Nationalism has a fairly consistent and specific meaning, and rarely does much good  for those outside it's constraints. The thread could be a list of how this occurs and ways to mitigate it, usually involving reducing it,  or we could pick a new question.

Edit: Loud Whispers, i was expecting your statement to devolve into accusations of bigotry, as that's how such statements usually seem to go, though i am nevertheless irritated that it needed to be asked. I apologize for my ad hominem's.

[misko27]

Yes, back on the topic of ... nukes ? How did nukes got in the multiculturalism thread ?
Forget that, I don't want to know.

It's because Cultural differences are easily solved with Nukes, like everything else.

[Loud Whispers]

I wonder what else i could be going on about, Loud Whispers?

What I read:

I'd appreciate a better thread title to immigrants, I suspect this is an obvious question.

So I had no idea what you were going on about.

Given everything I've ever posted in every thread you've ever been in for a year and and a bit?

Unless you're Novel or you're Neonivek, I would not be able to tell even the slightest thing about you. So I'd have no idea what you're going on about. So I'm not going to make assumptions about you, ok?
And I highly doubt you've posted in every thread I've ever been in for a year and a bit.

Yes, back on the topic of ... nukes ? How did nukes got in the multiculturalism thread ?
Forget that, I don't want to know.

It's because Cultural differences are easily solved with Nukes, like everything else.

An apt analogy, multiculturalism only works if the cultures are both preserved and contributive to society and the cultures that already exist there. Is it right to nuke the cultures that break these tenets?

[Scoops Novel]

Yes, I'm Novel (if there's a thread for that, I'll use it), please refer to my above edited post thought the short of it is an apology, and as for nukes, their the main reason we have multiculturalism and nationalism is doomed to failure until MAD becomes irrelevant.

[shadenight123]

Multiculturalism implies that both cultures are BOTH on the same wavelength.
If a culture claims freedom for women to do as they wish, just like men, and another claims them inferior, then they clash. The strongest emerges the victor.

Not the most correct one, mind you, but the strongest one.

It's like trying to speak to a crocodile about not eating you for dinner. You either shoot the crocodile or end up eaten.

Coexistence can happen when both sides agree on the same things. When they don't they clash naturally so. Even if they don't in the beginning, eventually they will. Sure, one could say 'your women are treated as your culture demands, we treat ours as our demands' then yes, there could be co-existence. (I'm using 'women' as the example. We could be using Guns, Drugs, Prostitution or whatever else is a source of difference between different cultures).

However if you were to see a woman of their culture being treated as a slave, to make an example, or as an inferior, would you act against it or let them suffer?
If you don't act, you coexist. If you act, you're infringing upon their culture and are thus in the wrong. Maybe not morally, but certainly you are in the wrong.

[GlyphGryph]

Actually, cultures need to agree on very little to operate on the same wavelength. They need:

The belief that culture should be a choice, and that a culture can be rejected in part or in whole, and that is allowable
An internal rather than external focus - what is important is what your culture says YOU should make YOURSELF do, not what you should make OTHERS do.

If those three things are in place (and they are, in places that have a strong and vibrant brand of multiculturalism) then you can have cultures that are otherwise incredibly different living in harmony. Technically you only need the second to have multiple cultures living in piece, but that tends to lead to enclaves - you really need the interaction and interchange of the first to get a truly multicultural society.

If you agree on those two elements, then you've got a pretty strong foundation.

Any culture that disagrees on both those elements will not be able to benefit from a multicultural society, and will have to be either changed or eliminated. (sad but true - multicultural does not mean omnicultural. Benefitting from varied cultures in one environment does mean accepting or tolerating ALL cultures)