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Author Topic: Multiculturalism & Nationalism, obstacles to coexisting?  (Read 19078 times)

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Re: Multiculturalism & Nationalism, obstacles to coexisting?
« Reply #345 on: June 08, 2013, 02:40:28 am »

Anyway, going back to nukes. It's unlikely terrorists will steal them from Iran. The country itself is fairly stable, and well it would be rather hard to get the Nuke anywhere usefull.

In fact, if you really want to do some damage, they could steal either the nuke or the required materials in Russia (fairly low security on the older ones), stuff the warhead into a van, bribe their way past the Russian border, and then blow up any of Europe's capitals (Shengen = No border controls)

Edit: I also remember having read somewhere that the UK's nuclear missiles are protected by no more than a bikelock+fence, and that the launch codes* are taped on the sides
*Does not include code to activate warhead

Knowing 2 people directly involved with the UK's nuclear warhead programme, I can say this is 100% false.

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Re: Multiculturalism & Nationalism, obstacles to coexisting?
« Reply #346 on: June 08, 2013, 02:42:33 am »

Yup, sounded a little bit too improbable.
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« Reply #347 on: June 08, 2013, 03:38:16 am »

Vector, why would they send you in accounting? Aren't you supposed to be a mathematician by training? You're supposed to be writing paper with name like "Harmonic iteration in a Shönbergian space" that describe the deep beauty of mathematics that are sadly inaccesible to us mortals.

I mean, don't you need to study low or something to go into accounting?
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« Reply #348 on: June 08, 2013, 03:45:19 am »

They do have specific accounting degrees, it's not something you'd do law school for, mainly because law school in America is ludicrously expensive. though I could see some down-on-their-luck law grads going into the field.

"bookkeeper" could be something you study at community college though, not all "bookkeepers" have the full degree, but that's more likely to be in small business, not corporate.
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« Reply #349 on: June 08, 2013, 03:47:59 am »

Nope, you get a degree in accounting to go into accounting.

Why would I be an accountant?  Because that's got numbers, right?

(So does physics, and economics, and a whole host of other things, but apparently that's not the conclusion people jump to)

People seem to think that what I have is an extremely expensive degree in arithmetic.  Haha.  I was solving a math/spatial style puzzle my step-grandmother had been working on for a very long time to little avail (read: months or years) and got the full solution in less than 20 minutes of effort, but she kept complaining that I was "going too fast" and I had to concentrate if I was going to be able to get it right.  My mother eventually informed her that I had a degree in concentrating at high speeds.  And solving puzzles.

What I'm trying to say is... most people think mathematicians sit around multiplying very large numbers.
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Re: Multiculturalism & Nationalism, obstacles to coexisting?
« Reply #350 on: June 08, 2013, 03:50:31 am »

Thinking that you could get an accounting job via having a maths degree is pretty lame. Hiring just doesn't work like that. It's hard enough if you have the exact qualifications they're asking for.

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« Reply #351 on: June 08, 2013, 04:02:43 am »

"degree in concentrations at high speed" is an amesome description for a math degree.  :D

You know where you want to go? I guess there is a lot of jobs for mathematicians, from finances to designing algorithms for data-mining and stuff, but I'm not sure if those depends of specific kind of maths and if you're qualified for it.

BTW, can you tell me your dissertation's title? For some reasons, I just love math papers's title. Probably because in Physics or Biology or Chemistry I can pretty much understand what the stuff is about, but for some reason a paper about math will always seems to come from another planet. ^^
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« Reply #352 on: June 08, 2013, 04:43:30 am »

Buddy, I just finished my Bachelor's... haha.  No dissertation.

After a couple years of polish, I'll be going in for my PhD, and then hopefully, full-on professional mathematician!  Hopefully.
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« Reply #353 on: June 08, 2013, 04:46:48 am »

Only? Damn, don't take it badly or anything, but I was sure you were more advanced. Well, I'm finishing my BSc in Chemsitry and Biology in September (finger crossed), and hopefully going for a PhD as well. (After the relevant polishing) :)
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« Reply #354 on: June 08, 2013, 04:55:30 am »

>____>

Well, I'm pretty smart, and I've taken some grad courses, so.  Blurble.
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Re: Multiculturalism & Nationalism, obstacles to coexisting?
« Reply #355 on: June 08, 2013, 05:53:40 am »

Don't make the Vector blurble, Sheb.

Shit's just rude.
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« Reply #356 on: June 08, 2013, 06:11:38 am »

It's The Vector Descan. Now, I'm just afraid she's going to Vector-multiply my ass in my sleep. I didn't want to offend you!
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« Reply #357 on: June 08, 2013, 06:41:35 am »

What would happen should a terrorist group manage to get their hands on the nukes? someone actually use them?
Many deaths. All will be rebuilt. Terrorists wouldn't even be able to operate most nukes, since the only people who have the capability and who have built suitcase nukes are Israel, America and Russia. And they sorta guard their nukes really well. In fact, a situation where their nukes are jeopardized is probably the moment they're about to be launched.
All this craze about 'terrorists' really needs to die, fast. It's always been the countries in charge who have held this awesome power.
People really overplay the threat of nukes sometimes. 10,000 nukes isn't enough to wipe out humanity. Cripple civilization? Yes. But it's conventional weapons that still hold the ability to end life on Earth.

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Just realized I was downplaying the threat of the cessation of civilization. The human mind is a strange thing when it encounters powers beyond its comprehension.
On this: and interesting fact is at the end of the First world war, the Allies had enough in Small Arms Ammunition to kill every single person alive on the planet then, or could at least purchase the needed amount without trouble. The difficulty is speed.


Now, we have an unknown number of nukes on the planet, ranging from 10,000 to 30,000. But it is safe enough to say that a instance where 10,000 nukes are used would be a complete nuclear war between all factions that are nuclear armed. In terms of the explosions, no. We do not have nearly the yield to wipe out human life, even given most live in cities. However, given that in poorer countries and rural places, there are no Bunkers, a careful allowance of More high-yield weapons to cities and Nuclear weapons with a higher radiation to high-alitude detonations, we might be able to do it.
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Re: Multiculturalism & Nationalism, obstacles to coexisting?
« Reply #358 on: June 08, 2013, 07:14:07 am »

Looking up statistics, it appears there are about 20.000 nukes in the world.

Which is quite a bit better than the 70.000 there were in 1985.

Assuming an average yield of 0.5 Petajoule (10% of the largest warheads in US service. Note: completely guessing here). We get a total energy 10 exajoules. Which is just a tiny bit less than the largest earthquake known to man, the 1960 Valdivia earthquake.

The detonation of all warheads in 1985 would've provided enough energy to power the US.
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Re: Multiculturalism & Nationalism, obstacles to coexisting?
« Reply #359 on: June 08, 2013, 04:48:41 pm »

Edit: I also remember having read somewhere that the UK's nuclear missiles are protected by no more than a bikelock+fence, and that the launch codes* are taped on the sides
*Does not include code to activate warhead
Used to be true, but now it's not. Didn't really matter about the locks because they were either in storage, in America or in a submarine. When it's in a submarine, the only reason it'd be going anywhere else would be because boom. It's also a product of the UK having the only nuclear program where captains have the authority to fire the nuclear missiles without authorisation from any head of state, which is why there was little reason to distrust the already trusted.

I don't know how to feel about nuclear weapons. I wouldn't call for total disarmament, and I'd be especially horrified if Somalia were to announce it was making several hundred thousand nuclear bombs out of dolphins and uranium, but they exist - and we can't make them all begin dieing, because there'll always be that one last nation who keeps them buried away for a rainy day.
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