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[hemmingjay]

I can't come to this thread anymore. Between a botched press conference/product announcement and people concretely making up their minds without concrete evidence either way, this thread has become full of !FUN!. I am leaving this thread because it is causing me to lose faith in the B12 community, which was already the last bastion of my faith in humanity. I suggest anyone with more reason than ego also leave it behind.

[CognitiveDissonance]

I can't come to this thread anymore. Between a botched press conference/product announcement and people concretely making up their minds without concrete evidence either way, this thread has become full of !FUN!. I am leaving this thread because it is causing me to lose faith in the B12 community, which was already the last bastion of my faith in humanity. I suggest anyone with more reason than ego also leave it behind.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/no-true-scotsman

[miauw62]

I can't come to this thread anymore. Between a botched press conference/product announcement and people concretely making up their minds without concrete evidence either way, this thread has become full of !FUN!. I am leaving this thread because it is causing me to lose faith in the B12 community, which was already the last bastion of my faith in humanity. I suggest anyone with more reason than ego also leave it behind.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/no-true-scotsman

Not exactly true as Hemmingjay wasn't really arguing here, I think.

[aristabulus]

Quoting Harrison isn't a MS source. Hahaha.

After the Adam Orth incident on Twitter, Microsoft piloted the Microsoft Genuine Spokesperson Advantage(tm) system, a new program to address the rising issue of statements made by Microsoft employees about Microsoft products without proper certification.  Rumours indicate that becoming certified includes a set of state-of-the-art holographic RFID-enabled tattoos, one at the base of the neck and one on each ankle.

/satire-newscaster

Seriously though...  For a hot-button topic, sticking to boilerplate PR and then clamming up because you've got A Speshul Announcement Planned At A Later Date(tm) isn't ever going to win points.  They would've been better off not saying anything at all, rather than the little they did say and not enough on the details.  I'm guessing E3 will have more on the matter, but ~3 weeks is an eternity in PR time.

[Mictlantecuhtli]

I can't come to this thread anymore. Between a botched press conference/product announcement and people concretely making up their minds without concrete evidence either way, this thread has become full of !FUN!. I am leaving this thread because it is causing me to lose faith in the B12 community, which was already the last bastion of my faith in humanity. I suggest anyone with more reason than ego also leave it behind.

Apparently coming from the horse's mouth itself

I'll add my own sources. Those are websites I marginally trust to check their sources.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2013/05/22/microsoft-answers-xbox-one-questions-used-games-always-on-and-more/

The short answer is yet, the Xbox One will play used games.

The long answer is a bit more complex. All Xbox One games must be installed to the hard drive, either through digital download or the disc itself. That allows easy access to titles without disc switching, but it also causes complications. If you buy a physical disc and want to say, loan it a friend, they’ll have to pay an unlock fee to get the game to work on their system with their account. There’s no word on either how much this fee would be, or how many times you could do this with one disc.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2013/04/06/microsoft-apologizes-but-refuses-to-comment-on-always-on/

http://www.gamespot.com/news/microsoft-clarifies-xbox-one-used-game-stance-6408698

"We know there is some confusion around used games on Xbox One and wanted to provide a bit of clarification on exactly what we've confirmed today," Hryb said. "While there have been many potential scenarios discussed, today we have only confirmed that we designed Xbox One to enable our customers to trade in and resell games at retail."

...

"Another piece of clarification around playing games at a friend's house--should you choose to play your game at your friend's house, there is no fee to play that game while you are signed in to your profile,"

That's it everybody. Jump ship. This thread is officially horrible, people aren't even bothering to read the fact that THIS IS COMPLETELY FALSE AND YOU'RE ALL BEING FUCKTARDS. Seriously, Bold red 36pt font isn't enough to make it clear that THERE IS NO USED DISC FEE?

Hm... Let me restate.
YOU'RE ALL BEING FUCKTARDS. THERE IS NO USED DISC FEE. PLEASE CHECK YOUR SOURCES BEFORE YOU BITCH. THANKS

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22623010

He added that gamers could bring their games to a friends' house to play without paying a fee - but only if the game's owner is signed in to the Xbox Live account with which it is registered.

If the player wanted to lend the game to that friend, a fee would be required in order to play the title on a different Xbox Live profile.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-05-21-xbox-one-second-hand-games-will-charge-a-fee-to-play

Harrison: Okay, so, I can understand where some of the confusion may have come from, so let me try to help out there. First of all, you can buy a game on a disc from a retail store, come home and install it to your Xbox One. The disc contains all the bits and data on that game, which you can then give to your friend, and they can then install it on their Xbox One. No restriction on that, except that the second person obviously has to pay for it.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-05-22-phil-harrison-tries-again-to-clarify-game-ownership-second-hand-sales-and-always-online-in-xbox-one

Harrison then explained what happens when you want to take that game beyond the borders of your own home and into a friend's place.

"I can come to your house and I can put the disc into your machine and I can sign in as me and we can play the game," he explained.

"The bits are on your hard drive. At the end of the play session, when I take my disc home - or even if I leave it with you - if you want to continue to play that game [on your profile] then you have to pay for it. The bits are already on your hard drive, so it's just a question of going to our [online] store and buying the game, and then it's instantly available to play.

Isn't enough to prove it to certain folks. I expect such things every time a new consoles comes around [It's a very defensive market they have, emotional investments and such], so I am not surprised. Just don't take it so personally that people are disgusted with MS's greed. I don't hate people on this forum who like consoles. Nor do I hate people who enjoy phones other than the one I like.

[Tellemurius]

In all honestly im getting both the Xboxone and the PS4, will need them both to replace the systems we got at home (Wii and oldxbox) and frankly the exclusive games. The ranting  is just brutal on this for something not even released yet (sorta glad i never bought used). All it is now is a gimped computer for microsoft specifications. You don't need a online connection to play games and certainly won't be forced to use all of its features.

[CognitiveDissonance]

Hmm, interesting perspective on the same from PCMag (don't usually read it, no idea how reliable it is)

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2419328,00.asp

How about used games? Microsoft said that Xbox One will let customers trade in and resell games. The company promised more details, but as noted by Wired, you'll have to pay a fee if you want to install a disc on a second account and play without that disc.

If this is correct, this is a tidy work-around. This would mean the fee only applies if the game is NOT registered to you and the disc is NOT in the reader.

[Lectorog]

I can't come to this thread anymore. Between a botched press conference/product announcement and people concretely making up their minds without concrete evidence either way, this thread has become full of !FUN!. I am leaving this thread because it is causing me to lose faith in the B12 community, which was already the last bastion of my faith in humanity. I suggest anyone with more reason than ego also leave it behind.

hemmingjay, you must have missed the title change. This is now the Xbox One hate thread, not discussion thread. Dissenting viewpoints are no longer allowed.

[Moghjubar]

I can't come to this thread anymore. Between a botched press conference/product announcement and people concretely making up their minds without concrete evidence either way, this thread has become full of !FUN!. I am leaving this thread because it is causing me to lose faith in the B12 community, which was already the last bastion of my faith in humanity. I suggest anyone with more reason than ego also leave it behind.

hemmingjay, you must have missed the title change. This is now the Xbox One hate thread, not discussion thread. Dissenting viewpoints are no longer allowed.

*Ahem* GLORY TO THE PC MASTER RACE!

In any case, I was slowly losing interest in consoles anyway, and only sparingly bought games on them (or even rented) anymore, so it was a tossup on me getting the new consoles anyway, though I likely won't now.  I just plain don't care about the 'exclusive' games anymore... and I get far more bang for the buck on PC.

Still waiting to see how the OUYA does though.

[darkrider2]

Well, this gif just made my day.

http://i.minus.com/iBzvb2JSpQNRM.gif

[CognitiveDissonance]

Well, this gif just made my day.

http://i.minus.com/iBzvb2JSpQNRM.gif

Those fanboys...

[jocan2003]

Well, this gif just made my day.

http://i.minus.com/iBzvb2JSpQNRM.gif

Those fanboys...

That was funny, and i heard about the 360 services that will eventually be dismissed, i can still plug in my atari and play any and all game i have with no trouble. Will it be the same here too? Or no multiplayer because no live anymore?

[Chiefwaffles]

Ok, I'm out.
I think the Xbox One is amazing. This is likely because it appeals to me. The flaws, to me, are not big enough to overcome the benefits.
But, barring that, this is definitely the Xbox One hate thread, and I see no point to argue for it here.

To each their own.

[Bdthemag]

Losing your entire faith on a community due to outrage over multiple media sites jumping the gun an assuming the worst (Even though what they assume is probably relatively close to the actual truth?) Talk about an overreaction. If you have high hopes for this console, and high hopes for the exclusive games on this console, I sincerely want to know what kind of drugs you're taking. Because I'd love to get some, I genuinely want something to look forward to this year besides mediocre announcements and releases.

Either way, my ineffective argument aside. How can you expect something legitimately good and worth the price from large game companies like Microsoft anymore? Their track records are literally mediocre at best.

[Linenoise]

One of the things that peripherally peeves me about the Xbox One is that it'll be even harder to talk about the original Xbox, since most people associate "Xbox" with the 360 nowadays. There's probably going to be an Original Xbox next gen, so we're going to have to call it the Xbox, No Not That One, The One That Came Before 360.

XBone.