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[Ross Vernal]

I must ask, however...is this leaving open the possibility of becoming a wizard, much, much later, level-wise? I still want to be a wizard, even though it's pretty much far more likely that I'll end up losing something I'll miss later immediately.

As of this moment, two characters have taken the first step towards it. Myrln is serving the Winter Wizard, while Rurail has just learned one of the Least wizardry powers.

So yes. Given that I have up to Act 5 planned, there's a good chance that it will eventually happen IC.

[Madman198237]

Alright, I'll keep updating the spoiler in my earlier post, that or copy it to a new post and modify it when needed. If you ever want it closer to the most recent post, just ask
Thanks for the link, updated.
EDIT:
By the way, this does NOT take into account layering. Layered armor needs a whole new system---chainmail on top of hardened leather below a metal breastplate is way better than its component parts.
Because it wasn't stated, I assumed a cloth shirt or some such under chainmail...Anyone wearing chainmail by itself has two things: No decency, and a severe chafing rash.
And after their first combat, IF they survive, they have chain-link indents and cuts all around, and will be pulling out imbedded chain links for a while. Probably with much bleeding.
And the cloth shirt wouldn't help the negative soak blunt penalty-chainmail HURTS if you get hit, but a blunt weapon would be infinitely more painful that simply stopping a slash. And piercing impacts would hurt as well, but not as much.

[Madman198237]

You know, I could be making a character sheet right now. I'm just too lazy. That, and busy, with things including making a better list of armor material progression.
I need some info regarding armor materials, and I'll make you a list of material progression. Oh, and please give me properties of the materials: Hardness, magical properties, innate material properties, all of it, please. I could also use info on what all armor TYPES there are, besides the ones that I already modified. For instance, what is this brigandine stuff in the list of armor? What's the difference between ring and chainmail, the difference between hide and leather, all those armor "types" you listed, which seem to be both types and materials. If you can give me more info on that, I can help a bit more.
Here's the second list that I'm talking about:

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Padded
Leather
Splint
Brigandine
Scale
Lamellar
Ring
Chain
Coat Plate
Half Plate
Full Plate
Field Plate

[GrizzlyAdamz]

Ring mail looks like a fictitious armor where rings are sewn directly onto the cloth or leather base.
Hide armor seems to be similiar to thick leather clothing, plus fur.
Brigandine seems to be a lamellar arrangement of armor plates surrounded & held together by a cloth or leather overcoat & rivets. Here's a view of the inside & outside:

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Very fashionable stuff.

[Rolepgeek]

I must ask, however...is this leaving open the possibility of becoming a wizard, much, much later, level-wise? I still want to be a wizard, even though it's pretty much far more likely that I'll end up losing something I'll miss later immediately.

As of this moment, two characters have taken the first step towards it. Myrln is serving the Winter Wizard, while Rurail has just learned one of the Least wizardry powers.

So yes. Given that I have up to Act 5 planned, there's a good chance that it will eventually happen IC.

Related-ish question: Is it possible Daethwin might become a Virtuoso/Defender of the Faith for the Eternal Harmony? Or does Defender of the Faith require a divine being that actually acknowledges your existence?

[BlitzDungeoneer]

Currently in the process of making a character, if I can.
This is still joinable, right? It hasn't changed in the last 3-4 pages?

[Lenglon]

Currently in the process of making a character, if I can.
This is still joinable, right? It hasn't changed in the last 3-4 pages?

yes

[Xantalos]

Wait, is it possible to be a Defender of the Faith and a Wizard at the same time?

[Madman198237]

OK-some of my proposed armor details and stuff.

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 OK, for the first batch, everything is without underlying, secondary armor.
Clothes - Nothing
Cloth Armor - 1 slash / 0 pierce / 0 blunt / 1 ballistic---OK, when I get told what materials there are in-game, I'll figure out all these values better. For now, a single layer of tough cloth is what I'm figuring on. Better than nothing, I guess, although it ought to have a chance to stop random
Cloth Padding- 2 slash / 1 pierce / 0 blunt / 2 ballistic
Leather Clothing - 1 slash / 0 pierce / blunt / ballistic
Leather Armor- 2 slash / 1  pierce / 1 blunt
Chain - 3 slash / 1 pierce / -1, or 0 blunt/ 1 ballistic
Breastplate - 4 slash / 3 pierce / 2 blunt/ 2 ballistic
OK, that's the end of the original list, I will not cover magic, and will add in other types of armor below, along with my suggested values. I just caught myself, I'm putting in layers for those armors DEPENDENT on layers, so the below values aren't the same as the values above.

Lamellar- 3 slash / 4 pierce / 3 blunt 4 ballistic--- Lamellar is a wondrous invention, is made of layers of cloth and leather, which will catch and stop arrows, and metal plates which are good against slashing attacks, and the combination is incredible against piercing and bludgeoning attacks, as the leather and cloth will absorb impact better than other armor types. If it has a weakness, it's magic.
Brigandine- 2 slash / 2 pierce / 1 blunt / 1 ballistic--- Brigandine armor is largely impractical, as it puts the metal where it's gonna hit your skin, and what's usually the padding on the outside. It'll give you some bruises and less blunt protection than, say, platemail, which is similar, but with plates on the outside.
Platemail- 2 slash / 2 pierce / 2 bludgeon / 2 ballistic--- Very similar to brigandine, platemail is made of interlocking plates, generally thicker, and the plates are larger than rings, sometimes the size of IRL medieval platemail, which is the famous "Knight in shining armor" armor suit.
Ring- 3 slash / 2 pierce / 0.5 blunt / 1 ballistic---Ring armor is made of rings that aren't interlocking, but rather sewn onto something, and so this can't be a standalone garment, so it can't suffer what chainmail does.
Splint - 3 slash / 2 pierce / 1 blunt/ 1 ballistic--- I will include, for purposes of less-overwhelming detail and laziness, studded armor with "splint" type armor, as they serve similar purposes, although studded armor is arguably worse.

OK.
I'm out of armor ideas with that. If you have an armor suggestion or anything, send it to me. Otherwise, I'll be thinking up a character and waiting for Ross to be giving me a materials list.

[Remuthra]

Is it a coincidence that Lamellar is unconditionally the best armor on the list ?

[GrizzlyAdamz]

Hm, I think I might disagree with your assessment of Lamellar relative to full plate.

Every joint and intersection is a place where a piercing attack can catch, the flexible lamellar armor forming around the point & catching the full force of the blow-- greatly increasing the piercing potential.

Plate armor on the other hand is significantly less flexible, and provides a uniform hard surface. Pointed weapons are apt to deflect, their energy wasted.

If we're talking about something like Lorica Segmentata, lamellar armor composed of large bands of overlapping metal plates, it is improved but is still more flexible than single-plate armor & therefore more likely to catch a blow.

European armorsmiths were the most advanced the world produced, and a suit of fitted infantry plate the pinnacle of the art.

Currently in the process of making a character, if I can.
This is still joinable, right? It hasn't changed in the last 3-4 pages?

yes

Mm I think there's one too many applicants now- Lengon's submitted a character sheet, which leaves Bowtie, Madman, & Blitz to compete for the last two slots.

[Madman198237]

Coincidence? Coincidental with what?
Lamellar is simply the best.
It's ancient Kevlar.
It combines the best parts of both single-piece solid armor and layered cloth/leather.
It is lighter in weight than a solid breastplate.
It'll stop arrows, and when combined with the Greek's hoplon, or shield, which covers the chin down to the greaves, you're facing a wall of bronze (Or whatever metal used in game) which, when part of a formation of identically armored hoplites, or "shield-bearers," basically meaning soldiers, but named for their shields, then it becomes an unbeatable killing machine. Evidence: Pass of Thermopylae, or the last stand of the 300 Spartans. Who were, actually, accompanied by about 700 Thespians.
Anyway, yes, I like Lamellar armor, but no, that didn't effect my judgment of its combat capabilities.
Aw shoot, compete? School starts tomorrow, but it's a reverse half day, so I can try to get it in now, or tomorrow morning. Is time gonna be a factor? First-come, first-serve? I'll get cracking xD
Oh, and Lamellar was surfaced with a rigid material, hardened leather or a bronze plate layer, and contained rigid, but somewhat thinner, bronze, like the usually thought-of sculpted metal version.

[Ross Vernal]

Sorry about the delay, my mom hurt her back and I haven't had the time I expected.

[GrizzlyAdamz]

No worries Ross, we didn't even notice. Take care of your moms.


Actually, plate armor was lightweight. From wiki:

A complete suit of plate armour made from well-tempered steel would weigh around 15-25 kg(33-55 pounds).

Which is about the same, (perhaps lighter than), japanese laminar armor.
All that extra padding, lacing, and thicker-therefore-heavier plates bumped up the encumbrance significantly.
It also helped that the weight was distributed over the body, thanks to the multiple attachment points. The breastplate rested on the shoulders & hips, the braces attached to the arms, the cuisses to the legs.
Whereas earlier armors put most of their weight on the shoulders.

Huh, I thought greeks had them bronze man-chest breastplates?

[Rolepgeek]

Considering Lamellar armor is just scale mail over leather, I don't really think it's all that.

For one thing, if it was, why would we have ever switched to full plate, or the japanese samurai wear tosei gusoku?

Then again, you haven't added field plate or anything to the list, and I'm not entirely sure what japanese armor would count as.

Japanese armor caught arrows in silk folds, and was quite good at what it did; the japanese have always been good at innovation.

European full plate led to knights returning from the Crusades, or from battles in the Crusades, looking like pincushions, because the arrows simply could not truly penetrate, even from the powerful recurved bows(longbows were not used because they could punch through full plate; they were used because they were able to punch through chainmail, a feat many bows could not replicate, to injure knights in the less armored parts of the body; heavy crossbows were the things capable of shearing through steel like butter).

Thermopylae was as much a matter of terrain as anything else, and the skill of the Spartans involved. The shield is certainly quite amazing, but the armor is not as amazing as one might think.

But maybe I'm thinking of something different from what you are. I'm thinking of this lamellar armor. Which doesn't have a second covering over it.

Does lamellar armor as you are thinking of protect every part of the body?

Also, 4 ballistic soak is frankly ridiculous; ballistic damage, as far as I'm aware, is basically bullets. Having 2 higher soak than anything else on the list like that makes me feel that you are less than unbiased. For that matter, judging by my knowledge of lamellar, 4 piercing soak is fairly incredulous too; a warpick like rurail holds is piercing too, remember, as is a ballista bolt(unless it's ballistic in which case idfk)

So no, it wasn't the absolute best. If it was, we would have used it instead of full plate; obviously it was around in europe, if the greeks used it. It's not like it never reached that continent. It might be best at stopping attacks that actually hit it, but if it doesn't cover everywhere, or has large, easily reachable weak points? Well...