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[PTTG??]

I was cleaning up my desktop and found some old notes for a LCS mod I intended to make one day. The idea was that if you got public opinion high enough, you could upgrade L+ social positions to L++ positions, which would generally have strange effects. Exactly what they might be, I don't know.

I also wanted to add Computer Rights as a social position. Hacking might scare some people into cracking down on it, but if you keep a good public face, you could eventually make it impossible to (legally) punish your hackers!

I particularly like the Death Penalty modification, because it'd be hilarious trying to "upgrade" someone from a vandalism charge to several counts of murder so that, instead of going to jail, he's set free.

I'm not going to be working on this, so go for it if you're interested.

Abortion Rights      Abortions are mandatory
Animal Rights      There are major welfare programs for wild animals
Police Regulation      The police have been outlawed, and outlaws are police
Privacy Rights      People are carefully monitored to make sure they don't infringe on the privacy of others.
Death Penalty      The death penalty- alone- has been replaced with amnesty.
Nuclear Power      Nuclear power plants are being converted to playgrounds
Pollution         Cars are banned.
Labor Laws         The minimum wage is $100/hour.
Gay Rights         Straight people are second-class citizens
Corporate Law      Corporations are outlawed
Free Speech      Every 30 minutes, someone has to yell "fire" in every crowded theater.
Flag Burning      Flags are a major source of fuel
Gun Control         All guns have been confiscated
Tax Structure      The tax rate is 100%. (Only illegal income produces money)
Women's Rights      Men are second-class citizens
Civil Rights         White slavery- alone- is legal.
Drug Law         There is LSD in the water supply
Immigration         Spanish is now the official language of the US
Election Reform      It is illegal for conservatives to run for office. Not that they don't...
Military Spending      The U.S. Military has been disbanded, causing an immediate occupation by canadian troops.
Human Rights      

Computer Rights      
   Computers are banned for civilian use.
   Computer use is tightly regulated.
   crime on the internet is restricted.
   Internet free speech is protected.
   There are few restrictions on computer use.
   There ARE no laws on the Internet!
   Computers are citizens!

[usr_share]

Looks like the losing scenario of a Conservative Crime Squad game

[PTTG??]

Ideally, each one of these would make the game more difficult for the players. For instance, fully liberal Gun Control would make any skilled gunmen you have quite worthless... though on the other hand you could go on a spending spree at the Oubliette.

[Ihlosi]

Gun Control         All guns have been confiscated

"Possessing a gun is punished with death." ... oh wait ... 

Gun control at C++ should be "Carrying a firearm is mandatory."

[KA101]

Y'know, I was thinking that the LCS ought to have to get an ELITE LIBERAL AMENDMENT of this nature in order to win.  As it stands, Nightmare Mode is pretty much the LCS-wins scenario, but for the CCS (and I think the Congress isn't Arch-Conservative).

So, I strongly support the general idea.

Specific implementations? maybe not.  Animal Rights, Privacy Rights, Pollution, Corporate Law, and Gun Control seem fairly in keeping with the LCS' Liberal Agenda.  Most of the rest seem so substantially over-the-top that even the LCS wouldn't go for them.

(Some seem seriously flawed, though.   Mandatory abortion, for instance, defeats women's right to choose as surely as outlawing abortion.  I'd suggest "Abortions are fully government-subsidized." or some similar language instead.)

[PTTG??]

The LCS advocates total gun control, and will shoot anyone who disagrees. Let's be clear here: the Crime Squad isn't really a sane political movement; it's a parody of what real-world conservatives characterize liberal beliefs, and furthermore, it's a game; having hilarious and game-changing effects just adds to it.

[Ihlosi]

I'd suggest "Abortions are fully government-subsidized." or some similar language instead.)

It'd probably be more along the line "Abortions are legal, but rarely performed since birth control of any form is fully government-subsidized.".

More C++ stuff:

C++ gun control: Not carrying a gun while in public incurs a public nudity charge.
C++ Drug law: Alcohol prohibition is reinstated (conservative politicians excepted).
C++ tax structure: Taxes are extremely degressive.
C++ privacy rights: Citizens must submit any and all personal information to the authorities, which sell it to anyone paying a small fee.
C++ death penalty: Any offender deemed not fit for the prison-industrial complex is executed.
C++ nuclear power: Nuclear-powered cars.
C++ pollution: Mandatory minimum pollution regulations are in effect
C++ labor laws: A standard work week is 25/8. Wages are optional.
C++ gay rights: Homosexuality is punished with death.
C++ corporate law: Corporations can be granted extraterritoriality.
C++ Free speech: There's a list of allowed phrases, everything else is prohibited (exception: hate rants against communism, socialism, liberalism, terrorists).
C++ flag burning: Citizens are required to shoot anyone seen burning a flag.
C++ election reform: Elections? What elections?
C++ immigration: Only disposable slaves are allowed. Otherwise, see iron curtain, just with drones.
C++ womens rights: Women are considered property.
C++ military spending: North Korea would be proud.
C++ human rights: The local community college offers torture classes.

[Ihlosi]

Y'know, I was thinking that the LCS ought to have to get an ELITE LIBERAL AMENDMENT of this nature in order to win.  As it stands, Nightmare Mode is pretty much the LCS-wins scenario, but for the CCS (and I think the Congress isn't Arch-Conservative).

Well, the Congress can't be arch-conservative, since that would mean that the ARCH CONSERVATIVE AMENDMENT(*) to fully reaganize the country would be passed a few months into the game, leading to a game over for the LCS.

(*) see endgame.cpp. Yes, it's one way to lose the game.

[usr_share]

I'd suggest "Abortions are fully government-subsidized." or some similar language instead.)

It'd probably be more along the line "Abortions are legal, but rarely performed since birth control of any form is fully government-subsidized.".

More C++ stuff:

C++ gun control: Not carrying a gun while in public incurs a public nudity charge.
C++ Drug law: Alcohol prohibition is reinstated (conservative politicians excepted).
C++ tax structure: Taxes are extremely degressive.
C++ privacy rights: Citizens must submit any and all personal information to the authorities, which sell it to anyone paying a small fee.
C++ death penalty: Any offender deemed not fit for the prison-industrial complex is executed.
C++ nuclear power: Nuclear-powered cars.
C++ pollution: Mandatory minimum pollution regulations are in effect
C++ labor laws: A standard work week is 25/8. Wages are optional.
C++ gay rights: Homosexuality is punished with death.
C++ corporate law: Corporations can be granted extraterritoriality.
C++ Free speech: There's a list of allowed phrases, everything else is prohibited (exception: hate rants against communism, socialism, liberalism, terrorists).
C++ flag burning: Citizens are required to shoot anyone seen burning a flag.
C++ election reform: Elections? What elections?
C++ immigration: Only disposable slaves are allowed. Otherwise, see iron curtain, just with drones.
C++ womens rights: Women are considered property.
C++ military spending: North Korea would be proud.
C++ human rights: The local community college offers torture classes.

There is a C++ already (the post-Arch-Conservative-Amendment policies), but it can't be seen due to a bug -- as the left and right keys are disabled on the winning or losing screens.

Women Rights: Women have been stripped of the right to vote.
Civil Rights: Segregation has been reintroduced.
Drug Policy: Talking about recreational drugs is punishable by death.
Immigration Policy: Border guards shoot suspected foreigners on sight.
Election Funding: Only independently wealthy candidates have a chance of defeating incumbents.
Military Policy: The massive military is a tool of political oppression.
Torture: Torture is a prescribed practice in police interrogations.
Prisons: Prisoners aren't even considered people by the law.
Tax Policy: There are no taxes, yet most people have no money.
Abortion: Use of contraception and abortion are criminal offenses.
Animal Research: All forms of human experimentation on the poor are encouraged.
Police Behavior: Policing is administered by corporations and has a draft.
Privacy: Files on each citizen are easily available to corporations.
Death Penalty: Poor criminals receive mandatory death sentences.
Nuclear Power: Nuclear power plants are ubiquitous.
Labor Law: People are bred in pens to be farmed out to corporations like beasts.
Gay Rights: Homosexuals are executed regularly for "promoting the Gay Agenda".
Corporate Law: Corporations under the King [Ronald Reagan] run the country in a feudal system.
Free Speech: Unacceptable speech is a capital crime.
Flag Burning: Images or words depicting flag burning are punished by death.
Gun Control: Gangs of young children carrying AK-47 roam the streets.

[usr_share]

Talking about extreme liberalism (and conservatism), I think there should be some extra news events for Elite Liberal and Arch-Conservative situations.

For example (this is a reference to the 2004 "Jesusland" map):

$2.50

The Times

7th Apr, 2009

SECESSIONISTS

A group of left-wing activists has started demonstrations promoting secession of the liberal states. The "Let Us Free" movement has performed protest rallies all across the nation, claiming that the American North-East, as well as the West Coast, should secede from the United States. According to the movement, "The last 8 years have brought upon nothing but terror. We are tired from virtually feeding the rest of the nation* and are seeking for secession." Some participants even mentioned that these states should become part of Canada instead. "And the U.S. would probably get Alberta in return."

Of course, the Elite Liberal nation would have extreme conservatives asking for secession of Texas

*Note: most of the time blue states give more federal tax money than they receive, and vice versa for the red states.

[usr_share]

(double post)

[Jonathan S. Fox]

*Note: most of the time blue states give more federal tax money than they receive, and vice versa for the red states.

Side note: I suspect this is inevitable, at least to some degree. Cities are very economically efficient, and they naturally produce wealth out of proportion to the amount of money needed to sustain services and infrastructure in them. At the same time, the culture of high population density encourages liberal political views, so liberal areas, which tend to be fueled by urban population centers, tend be net exporters of tax money. However, this isn't actually an unnatural situation, since you can't really separate rural and urban communities like that. Cities simply can't sustain themselves in a vacuum; extensive rural farming communities are a prerequisite for urbanization. A balanced economy capable of supporting these economically efficient cities requires stable rural communities to be integrated into the transportation network, and that means investing in rural infrastructure out of proportion to the wealth of the rural areas served. I could be wrong about all this, though. This isn't even something I read in a book somewhere, it's just my theory.

[Markus]

-snip-

Seems sound to me, and though I'm no certified expert, I had enough information in relation to the subject at hand shoved down my throat that I'm not spouting off random junk either.

Do note, however, that that statistic may have been made somewhat biased by an additional factor:

Flyover country, that Red part of the country that's pretty desolate and pretty conservative. Less people means less sources from which to draw taxes. Though they don't compose of ALL the Red states, there are certainly enough of them to affect that statistic.

More on topic. . . Hm. Do we need any ideas for C++? I could maybe dig up some ideas from my C+++ relatives, if that helps. . . well, at least if I can do it from afar.

[Ihlosi]

*Note: most of the time blue states give more federal tax money than they receive, and vice versa for the red states.

Heh. We must have better conservatives where I live, since the conservative "states" are actually funding the "liberal" (we call 'em "social democratic") "states" around here. Then again, the conservative party/-ies around here is more along the lines of m...L instead of C+...C.

[SealyStar]

Jesus, these sound like NationStates issue-effect blurbs.