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[Vector]

If you're telling the truth, there is no way the scum will let you live through the night.

This statement is false.

[Lenglon]

If you're telling the truth, there is no way the scum will let you live through the night.

This statement is false.

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So, i'm jumping the gun here?

um, advice please, is trying for an interaction-based analysis right now a good idea or no?

[Vector]

Deal with what's on your plate.  Don't chain lynches.  If you dig up significant data on Cado's alignment one way or another, then that's great, but don't jump the gun and look specifically for a scumbuddy (for example, you might overlook information on people who, say, tunneled or bandwagoned him to death, if he's town; and that would be the information you wanted.  Wearing yourself out for nothing.  If you're town, then your energy is your most precious resource.  Use it well).

The reason why that statement is false, though, is because of WIFOM.  If the scum are sitting pretty right now, why would they assume they'd get investigated?  Might be worth a gamble!  He looks shitty, the town lynches him, the scum get more kills.  Like, you can go on and on and on with that chain of reasoning.  Just focus on trying to find out his alignment without too much speculation into motivations.

[Lenglon]

Ok, i'm a bit lost then. All my reading has simply said that Day 1 claims are dumb, and not to do it, with no explanation of how to handle one. Unless someone counter-claims him (which I think would also be dumb, but I would like to hear your opinion on this option), do we grant him a stay of execution even if he looks scummy, on the off-chance that he's town, or do I put my vote back on him, since the reasons I had for having it on him in the first place are unchanged?

[Vector]

If someone counter-claims him, then it's worth trading one-for-one, IMO.

Look, even if my gut says Cado is town, it's not worth acting on it.  If you think he's scum, then kill him.  It doesn't matter what power-role he claims.  He learns something, we learn something.  You don't get a "get out of scummitude free" card just because you told a lie with great confidence.

I honestly don't want to lynch him, but my opinion is that we have to.  I'm a bit lost myself, and I welcome opposing arguments.

[Lenglon]

So, remain mostly unswayed and vote as I think, despite the claim?

in that case, Ranger I haven't seen any reason to remove my vote from you other than your roleclaim.
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I think that extend I voted for a moment ago still is a good idea.

[Vector]

Did I not vote for that?

Extend.

[Lenglon]

Don't Lynch-The-Idiot Scenario: 
This provides us with a lot of different things that could take place.  The jailkeeper, if there is one, plays a huge role in it as well.  Let's assume there is a jailkeeper, for argument's sake.  We don't lynch Cado, and he goes through the night alive.  He then claims who he inspected in the night, and the read.  If there is a jailkeeper, then they say whether he's telling the truth or not, either by staying silent or role-claiming.  Assuming Cado doesn't die in the night, we get a confirmation on his claim, one way or another.  Pretty much, a huge case of WIFOM that the jailkeeper gets to deal with.

Pup: what about the case where we have no jailkeeper after all? I dont want him to become "confirmed town" through the silence of a nonexistant jailkeeper.
regarding the slip Day made, I want to wait to weigh in until Ford gets around to answering the question I asked him Thursday, because the wait is making me wonder if he's waiting to hear MY opinion of Day before saying his own. in the meantime though, I'd like some clarification of something.

Dem: What is the big difference between the slip you and Vector are accusing Day of and the slip I accused Shinigami of? I was condemned for making that accusation of Shinigami, but this, quite similar, accusation appears to be being taken quite seriously. what criteria makes a potential slip worth pressing or not?

[RangerCado]

I won't be able to post here for about 6 hours as i have church and homework to do. I'll have a bigger post addressing everything then. EXTEND

[birdy51]

EXTEND

We will need the time to sort through this mess. I've got a lot of scenarios running through my head, but none of them are ideal.

[Tiruin]

Since here

Extension Granted

Vote standings:

• RangerCado(4) - Shinigami_King, Vector, Griffionday, Lenglon
• Griffionday(1) - Demdemeh
• Lenglon(0) -
• birdy51(1) - RangerCado
• griffinpup(0) -
• Demdemeh(1) - Captain Ford
• Shinigami_King(0) -
• Vector(0) -
• Captain Ford(0) -
• Not Voting(2) - griffinpup, birdy51

Day 1 has begun and will end at May 29, 2013. [Wednesday] 9:00 pm [GMT//UTC +8]

Extension requests: 0
Shorten requests: 0

4 votes needed to extend the day
5 votes needed to shorten the day

Praise be, for Think's LurkerTracker!

"This doesn't look good."
"The loss of most officials on the board, or the position of your King, ma'am?"
"No. Word from the standing guard of the region. They're recalling troops on some undefined order.

"And word is coming from our area. Hold on, I'll check the outpost wards in the meantime."
"It is your move."


I'm have returned.

PS: I search the word 'Extend/Shorten/Oppose' in the forum searchengine for easier checks if I missed anything. Heh.

[Lenglon]

my vote is currently on ranger, please see above.

[griffinpup]

Real quick post.  I'll cover everything later today. 

Don't Lynch-The-Idiot Scenario: 
This provides us with a lot of different things that could take place.  The jailkeeper, if there is one, plays a huge role in it as well.  Let's assume there is a jailkeeper, for argument's sake.  We don't lynch Cado, and he goes through the night alive.  He then claims who he inspected in the night, and the read.  If there is a jailkeeper, then they say whether he's telling the truth or not, either by staying silent or role-claiming.  Assuming Cado doesn't die in the night, we get a confirmation on his claim, one way or another.  Pretty much, a huge case of WIFOM that the jailkeeper gets to deal with.

Pup: what about the case where we have no jailkeeper after all? I dont want him to become "confirmed town" through the silence of a nonexistant jailkeeper.

It's my understanding that us, the town, have to have a  role in our camp.  We have the cop, the jailkeeper, or both.  Knowing this, we can assume that there is a jailkeeper until someone counter claims Cado.  The real cop should do if he exists.

[Lenglon]

fair point, if we have no cop, then it IS safe to assume we have a jailkeeper...
still, that would leave us with no power roles and one unidentified scum...
so much WIFOM...
I dont like voting then unvoting over and over again on the same person. I think I'll mull this over for a while so that if I unvote again I wont have to put it right back on him five posts later.
Pup: how is having the real cop out themselves on day 1, before they've been able to get a single read, helpful to us? It will let us solidify our read of Ranger, but it will also out them to the remaining scum, and we'll be in almost the exact same situation as before Ranger claimed. If we can figure out Ranger's alignment without leaving ourselves with no power roles, then we'll be in much better shape. Even if we end up leaving Ranger alive for now, can't the real cop counterclaim on day 2 or 3, after having gotten some reads, and maybe found the other scum as well?

Is it really worth it to leave the town without power roles to kill one scum?

[birdy51]

Captain Ford, we need your input on this situation. You haven't posted for two days, and frankly that's extremely worrying considering you are one of our ICs. Where are you?