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[MorleyDev]

I dunno, a good director can give you guidance, but they can't force an actor to emote correctly.

No, but they can force everyone to sit there and do it until they roll double 6s and get the performance they want, or until the filming budget runs out Or the actor goes insane. Admittedly not all directors are Stanley Kubrick, but viewers can dream and actors can wake up screaming...

[sluissa]

Or... you know... just hire competent actors in the initial casting...

But this WAS originally a low-mid budget, "I'm going to have to show my nipples, aren't I?" show... so... I guess that's a little more challenging.

[TD1]

Robb was a good actor. Boromir and Tywin too.

[zombat]

Yeah I don't get the Hounds sudden 'i only live for revenge' arc either.
This is a man that fucked off from the battle of black water because he didn't want to die for a little shit, and wanted to take the Stark girls with him to buy refuge in the north.
I don't remember him once saying he wanted to kill his brother, he always seemed scared of him.

What was the hounds relationship with the stark girls in the books anyway?

[Kagus]

He's always wanted to kill his brother, but he's also been terrified of him. The terror and residual trauma is pretty much what's kept him from just going for Gregor's throat all this time. He's wanted to fight back to avenge his younger self, but knew that doing so would end with one very dead doggy and one very jovial mountain.

Possibly his time spent traveling around, nearly dying, and facing off against the dead gave him the mental fortitude and perspective necessary to finally face off against his childhood fear? Dunno.

While he's also been very much a pragmatist who would otherwise approve of Gregor just getting squished by rubble, that would also mean that his one chance to redeem himself in his own eyes by standing up to the shadow that's covered him for his entire life would be taken away, and he would forever remain the dog that the mountain burned.


Can't really say, I haven't even seen the episode... but that does sorta make sense to me.

[Caz]

Yeah I don't get the Hounds sudden 'i only live for revenge' arc either.

bran warged everyones motivations into eachother this season for the lulz


cersei's hatred of smallfolk and lulz at burning shit --> to dany
arya's revenge obsession --> to hound
piece of destroyed winterfell boulder --> jon's brain (actually you can explain a lot of the characters this way)

[NRDL]

The Hound has stated that he wants to end things with his brother ever since season 7, when they did the whole "bring the wight to Cersei to show that the undead are real" thing.

It's just that he's only getting around to it now that said ice cold undead threat has been ended.

[TD1]

Yea, Clegane Bowl's been foreshadowed for a while.

Probably since Season One where he protected the Flower Knight from Greg.

[MorleyDev]

Cleganebowl has always felt like that thing that everybody but me wanted to happen. That it was too obvious to actually be satisfying.

Plus, the last time we see what could be him in the books (implied but not outright stated),

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He's possibly a crippled monk living a peaceful life on an isolated isle as a gravedigger, and the priest who found him tells Brienne "The Hound is dead" but then claims he is also dead and his own priesthood is a second life. He also only ever says that Sandor is 'at rest'.

It'd honestly be a subtle, beautiful and wholly satisfying ending for the man if his story ended there and he's just left out of the remaining books.

But the show never really kept up the whole "The mask of The Hound vs The man who is Sandor Clegane" thing anyway. In the show I think it would have worked better if he'd been in a position where he could have killed Gregor, but had to abandon the fight to do something nobler. But hey, we got a cool Dark Souls looking fight scene I guess.

[Urist McScoopbeard]

Cleganebowl was a big let down for me. Pretty much EVERYTHING was a let down for me in the last episode. If any one scene worked, it worked because the actors acted, not because the characters had any real meaningful endings.

A lot of people got a lot of big ends that were dramatic, but they really felt shoehorned in, rushed, and just artificial in general. There always seems to be a lot of justifying when it comes to GoT (TV) plot stuff and I'm sick of it--the show hasn't put in the narrative work to make me believe 90% of the post-GRRM plot character arcs. They're serendipitous at best and amateurish at worst--these last several seasons have veered so dramatically from the heyday of the show (somewhere around season 4) that its almost like watching something else entirely, a bit of professional fan fiction so to speak.

Back on the topic of Cleganebowl, whether it happened or had Gregor gone the way of the book would have been fine, but THIS particular Cleganebowl was very dissatisfying and so nonsensical that the only reason why I had any suspension of disbelief while watching was because I still remember the Clegane brothers from the beginning of the show.

[big sigh] It's sloppy. I don't what else to say, it's frustratingly sloppy.

[Mephisto]

I foresee "dragonfire can't melt steel beams" memes in the future.

[Xantalos]

Dragonfire also apparently has an adjustable power knob on the side, judging by how it can go from selectively immolating one specific person to outright exploding stone structures and cutting through towers like a laser beam.

[nenjin]

It's like the worst video game / tabletop game ever.

"How much damage does dragonfire do?"

10d100.

*rolls*

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF-----

[zombat]

I foresee "dragonfire can't melt steel beams" memes in the future.

I've seen atleast one so far

[sluissa]

Honestly though...

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There's no way dragon's breath could do that much damage on its own. You could SEE the green puffs... Dragons don't breathe green fire. King's Landing was an inside job!