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[Captain Ford]

Please don't do that again. You nearly gave me a heart attack man. Well not really but I started panicking. It might sound like I'm being weird here but I'm laughing cause it's kinda funny how much I panicked when I saw you did that.

I believe you, actually. A little surprised you'd admit to it, but I can completely understand it -- it directly contradicted what I'd said and came out of left field, and you trusted me, that's why it hit you so hard, I think.

So, Imaginary Unvote Nerjin. I pronounce you Squeaky Clean Townie.

...and now I am going to bed.

[Nerjin]

So, Imaginary Unvote Nerjin. I pronounce you Squeaky Clean Townie.

I wouldn't do that. I've not devoted as much time as I should have to this game. I've played dreadfully. I plan to rectify that in the morning. I don't think anything's happening so I should have time to really get to the bottom of things this time.

[Phantom of The Library]

Phantom of the Library: I call your attack on Nerjin opportunistic and bandwagony. How do you plead?

I plead not guilty yer 'onor. I never set no foot by Henderson's house.

Also bandwagony? There was only one other person voting for him at the time and I didn't even take notice of that post until after I had nearly completed mine! Besides, bandwagoning is a terrible tell. 90% of the time I see it done it's by lazy town and half the people who use it as a reason for lynching are scum.

So, Imaginary Unvote Nerjin. I pronounce you Squeaky Clean Townie.

Are you really that easy to win over with emotional appeals? I should remember that in the future when I'm playing as scum.


I'm dead set against a Lenglon lynch now. Unless she's composed of nothing but guts and brains and has a gambling problem, I can't see any way that she's scum.

Less sure on Nerjin, going to mull it over before moving my vote anywhere else.

Going to do another read tommorow, too tired to properly process right now.

...Okay guys.  I think that would have been a Lenglon lynch if I was being a tight-ass.  But I do agree that a 24 hour extend is far too short and we've had plenty of activity.  How would everybody feel if I extended Day 1 to the end of Friday?  It would be June 7th at 11pm EST.

This would be highly preferable.

Also, all you youngsters all type too fast... _{Grumbleageofcell phonesandtwittergrumble, grumbleI'm nowhere near the old enough to get to call you youngsters but I'm doing it anywaygrumble...}

[Captain Ford]

I lied. I couldn't stay away long enough to fall asleep.

So, Imaginary Unvote Nerjin. I pronounce you Squeaky Clean Townie.

I wouldn't do that. I've not devoted as much time as I should have to this game. I've played dreadfully. I plan to rectify that in the morning. I don't think anything's happening so I should have time to really get to the bottom of things this time.

I supremely doubt I'm going to see cracking this spectacular in the entire rest of the game.

Obviously you should not take this as a license to laze about and be useless. But I don't expect that of you (not the least of which because you still have to prove yourself to everyone else). You are passionate and take things quite seriously when you put your mind to it.

(Of course you also know me well enough to know that I never stop considering every possibility, so it's not like I'm going to just give you a free pass after all)

Phantom of the Library: I call your attack on Nerjin opportunistic and bandwagony. How do you plead?

I plead not guilty yer 'onor. I never set no foot by Henderson's house.

Also bandwagony? There was only one other person voting for him at the time and I didn't even take notice of that post until after I had nearly completed mine! Besides, bandwagoning is a terrible tell. 90% of the time I see it done it's by lazy town and half the people who use it as a reason for lynching are scum.

"Ya'll started a bandwagon, mister. I counts that as grounds fer a proper hangin 'round these parts." *spits and hits the spittoon dead-on*

Yes, okay, bandwagoning isn't a great charge. Still great for pressing people on, though.

So, Imaginary Unvote Nerjin. I pronounce you Squeaky Clean Townie.

Are you really that easy to win over with emotional appeals? I should remember that in the future when I'm playing as scum.

Many people have said this and yet no one has done it yet. In fact, the few times that people successfully discouraged me from relying on my gut, it turned out to be right.

In fact, many of the people who said this were scum. I think I'll go back and count the number of times this came up and then decide on that how much harder I should press my case on you.

Why make this criticism anyway? What was the point of pointing this out?

[Captain Ford]

I feel I need to expand on my last point a little bit:

Spoiler: Spoilered for Passion (click to show/hide)

Nerjin and I have been through a lot together with the ending of the Great Temple. I've gotten inside his head a lot recently, which puts me in a very unique position to judge his state of mind and reactions. It helps enormously that the end of the Great Temple has confirmed that my emotional read on Nerjin was 100% correct.

I'm not just guessing, I KNOW his emotions are genuine. At the present moment, my assessment of this evidence is that he is town, but I will spend some time tomorrow figuring out if his reaction fits with being scum.

Now if you think you can replicate this on command, I DARE YOU to try.

[Captain Ford]

Hmm...I kind of regret that already because it sounds arrogant as all heck. But *shrug* I wrote it.

Now I really should go to bed before I do something even more embarassing.

[Captain Ford]

Like misspelling "embarrassing". Argh.

[Jim Groovester]

Y'all are cray-cray.

None at all, I am the worst player to have in any mafia game ever as you know.

I'm no expert, in fact I'm the worst player to have in any mafia game ever,

But then again I'm the worst player to have in any mafia game ever so take what I say with a grain of salt.

That and I'm the worst player to have in any mafia game ever... But onto your points:

Oh, get over yourself.

Now, seeing as lenglon just presented a reasonable and straightforward case on Deathsword I would like you to go over every point in her list and address it fully. Just try to defend your scum buddy. If you can't retaliate to her case then I am assuming that you are voting Lenglon for no strong reason either.

I don't understand the point of asking Nerjin to respond to points made by Lenglon against Deathsword. What does Nerjin have to do with any of that?

(Gonna UNVOTE right now. i don't have the time yet for a full post for a couple hours unfortunately but lets just say Lenglon has passed my test.)

You held your vote for two days, past one original deadline, only to remove it hours before another.

This was some test you were doing.

(Theory: The bullies have 2 ways to try and NK. The first is to enter a house and kill whoevers there. (random if more than one person is inside) The second is that if they want to target a specific player, they must either not be in a house, or the bullies must know which house they are currently in. I believe that the second option holds some merit but without some other evidence, its all guess work.)

You don't even know whether the NK acts any differently than in any other game. Why are you making this speculation?

(Okay, i'm going to be leaving in a minute and will be getting back right at the lynch time so lets see if i can complete this thought process)

"Nerjin-san, Heres my reasons for voting you. Your searching has been abysmal, your reasons for voting Lenglon-san aren't anywhere near good, (their similar to what i was doing as a test so i know what i'm talking about) and you've yet to show anything that would discourage my lynch vote on you, other than making it seem you want to leave. (Joker style) I thought you might shape up but you haven't at all."

Is everything a test with you? Have you no firm opinion about a player in the game? Have you so much confidence in your vote as a tool to make or break people?

Everything being a 'test' seems like a convenient excuse to cast your vote onto targets of most convenience.

Yes I did.

Is this the grand total of your case against me, that one post way back?

Jim, another day.

You can try.

"Totally worthless, Vecooster-san? That's very presumptive to say. I have discovered that players have vastly different expectations of the bully's powers at night, a fact that might be very telling once we find out what really does happen.

Yeah that's great.

Actually it's useless.

Did it help you find scum? No, because you're voting zombie urist for a totally unrelated issue. Hence my comment about it being a useless waste of space, much like yourself.

Have I made that comment yet, in those exact words? Well, I have now.

Also, you voted me before my questionnaire, so please don't try to dress up a weak case by adding things after the fact."

So I'm supposed to ignore everything you do after I cast my vote because that's not part of the original argument I made.

Yeah totally reasonable.

"um, I dont think Ford-senpai should answer your question Griff-san."

Why not?

For he to-day that sheds his blood with me shall be my brother

This band of brothers stuff is a little ridiculous.

If I was in either of your position and I were scum, I would be abusing the heck out of this.

[Lenglon]

"um, I dont think Ford-senpai should answer your question Griff-san."

Why not?

"At the time I thought that he had slipped and hinted at a rolepower."

[Nerjin]

This post is to try something in Lurker Tracker.

[Nerjin]

Internet's being spotty today so I'm going to have to do reads as I get to them:

Regarding the Griffin Players

Obviously there's an issue that Griffinpup replaced Griffionday however with just 6 posts from the latter this should be a non-issue.

Spoiler: My Notes in Full (click to show/hide)

Reads and Notes on GriffinPlayers
1.   RVS questions are acceptable.

2.   Nothing of importance.

3.   Says he’s working on his baseline reads [pay attention for this] and questions how many bullies there are.
a.    Doesn’t like ZU’s playstyle and wonders how Cado intends to hunt for bullies.
b.   Doesn’t look for Scum but rather Scummness? What? Also certain people being too agreeable is scummy to him.
c.   Most Valid Tell: Requested work:Work put in ratio. Least valid: Being overly pressy.
d.   Most important information from RVS: How much fun the game will be.

4.   Nothing of interest that I caught.

5.   Extends and requests replacement due to finales.

6.   Accepts replacement by Griffinpup. This is the last we’ve heard of Griffionday.

7.   Griffinpup from here on out. He basically just replaces in.

8.   Slight Town read on Leafsnail. Also mentions it’s easy to buddy Lenglon due to her emotions playing a large role in her playstyle.
a.   Points out that Lenglon says that Deathsword posts the bare bones minimum but also that he artificially inflates his post. Griff demands explanation.
b.   Acccuses Solifuge of posting promiss without results because Soli promised reads but hadn’t delivered.
c.   Asks Shinigami why he thinks Lenglon is town.
d.   Asks Tiruin what she thinks of Lenglon defending her.

9.   Nothing of Interest.

10.   Reiterates his question to Shinigami about Lenglon being town.

11.   Calls out SHinigami_King on a few things.

a.   Shinigami claims that Lenglon is town due to meta tells from two partial games.
i.   Is meta the only reason?
b.   “Why post your reasoning tomorrow?” Highly suspicious at this point because Shini’s only planning to defend Lenglon after she’s dead to look better.

12.   Asks Ford how he knows houses can be destroyed. [Personal Note: I don’t think Ford thinks houses CAN be destroyed. The quote indicates him just asking.]

13.   Asks Lenglon is a no-lynch is better than a lynch for town.
a.   Asks Ford what the Webadict effect is. [It’s being a night target magnet apparently…]
b.   Correctly states that my self-depriciation isn’t a thing.

14.   “We can’t have a tie. Hey guys, How should be break this tie?”
a.   Asks Cado who he thinks is scum.

15.   Asks Lenglon:
a.   What happens if Griff votes for her?
b.   Would she intentionally tie the game by voting Nerjin at the last minute.

16.   Gets on Lenglon for stating she would tie the vote to create a no-lynch.  It’s SUPER-SCUMMY!
a.   Asks if she’d do that forever to save herself.
b.   Why does she value herself over the rest of the town.
c.   Asks Cado: What if Nerjin is really just a lazy player in general? [My feelings… They hurt.]
d.   Voting someone to save yourself if you don’t think they’re scum is scummy.

17.   Asks ZU why his posts tend to just be one-liners.
a.   Why doesn’t ZU think Lenglon is scum anymore? Why did his opinion change?
b.   Why is DS scummy?
c.   Why is Toaster’s case on Jim hilarious.
d.   Why does ZU think that voting someone to save yourself is a null-tell?

18.   Extends and votes Lenglon due to her voting someone to save herself.

19.   Comments on the whole “Insta-barrage” of votes just before extend. Votes Shinigami.

20.   Nothing of interest.

On the whole I see the Griffin bros. (TM) as pretty solid town. I did notice a few inconsistencies. It's important to note that I used LurkerTracker starting from Toony's game opening post. So 0 = 1 for Griffionday and then I just went up from there. letters mean it's part of the same post. Now to address some issues:

@Griffinpup Why exactly are you voting Shinigami? It seems to me that by your definition that Lenglon has acted FAR more scummy.

Your case on Shinigami seems to boil down to his use of "Meta-Tells" from incomplete games unrelated to this one. However you ALSO say that voting to save yourself at the expense of town is really scummy and Lenglon does that. You actually voted her for this reason during that whole "Super-Vote Time" and then you changed your vote for no stated reason. Understandable as it was late. If you would be so kind as to elaborate on your vote that'd be dandy.

Onwards to my next read!

[RangerCado]

(Okay, lets get through the chaos that was last night.)

Page 40: GriffyPup- They do feel like scum tells to me because Nerjin is not as bad a player as he's spouting to be. (Seriously, i'm worse than him) All my points show behaviour that makes it look like Nerjin is being annoying to the point where either we lynch him or ignore him. And terrible hunting from a non-newbie player is always a scum tell unless good reasons are given. (Like exam week)

Page 44: Vecooster (woah)- 1. I knew the Day would be extended atleast once, just didn't see it only adding a single day.
2. Better question is why not? The houses system (With us not knowing who owns which house and some of us don't even have one) gives a pretty big hint that NKs will not be the same. It also opens up a lot more options for role powers.
3. Isn't that what putting pressure on someone is though? A test to see their reaction and whether or not you should continue questioning them? And alone, no. A single vote with this many players won't make or break someone. And if it was for convenience, why didn't i just leave my vote on the player (Lenglon) who was more likely to get majority votes?

Nerjin: Why did you start throwing around the "worst mafia player ever" tag on yourself? You went so far as to put it under your avatar pic. And don't give a stupid answer like every other time. Also, how about giving use a few reads while your at it? (Other than Lenglon)

[Nerjin]

Nerjin: Why did you start throwing around the "worst mafia player ever" tag on yourself? You went so far as to put it under your avatar pic. And don't give a stupid answer like every other time. Also, how about giving use a few reads while your at it? (Other than Lenglon)

Because, according to Solifuge, I am the worst player to have in any mafia game ever. I got bitter. I think I'll keep it there.

Also: Look up.

I'm in the process of analyzing Death. Then I think I'll do Dariush before I take a break. I plan to get a read on everyone and stating any case I may have on them while asking questions.

[Toaster]

Nerjin is probably scum still, but back to Jim.

Jim Jim:

Yes I did.

Is this the grand total of your case against me, that one post way back?

It's the foundation on which your throne of lies sits.  But since we have more time...

Replacements favor the slot regardless of the original player's alignment, as any oddities can be dismissed as the previous player being weird.

Same post as the centerpiece.  It's just a reinforcement on the same theme (If I acted scummy it's because the Jim facet was acting like a goofball.  The Vector facet is in charge now and is totally town, yo.)

This post is a good example of you throwing around gentle poking "attacks" without real substance or follow-through. 

There's no valuable information in the RVS. This is almost definitional; if somebody slips up and gets crap for it, then that's the moment the RVS ends.

So when, assuming you think it did, did RVS end?

Combined with your other answers, this makes it seem like you're just putting in the minimal amount of effort to avoid outing yourself as scum.

Ironic because you're doing the same thing.  (PS:  Being lazy is scummy, not the hypocrisy part, before you throw that back at me.)

Riddle me this- how comparatively scummy are Nerjin, NQT, Ranger, and Solifuge?

Jim, another day.

You can try.

I will.


Tiruin:  What's your read of the vote shenanigans of the near-day end?  Solifuge, same question.

[Nerjin]

Regarding Deathsword

Spoiler: My Notes on Death (click to show/hide)

1.   Says he’d rather kill than seduce. Not relevant to my knowledge. This post is rather… lacking.
a.   Asks NQT a worthless question.
b.   Asks Dariush who he’d like to murder most.
c.   States Tiruin isn’t scum because… []… and asks her who she’d fear most as scum.
d.   Asks Cado why they asked Ford 2 questions.

2.   Says he’ll have everything read by tomorrow [June 02] [[He does this admirably]]

3.   Hypocrisy isn’t a scum-tell. Contradicting yourself is however.
a.   Thinks anyone would bus their scum partners but suspects Jim/Vector of it most.
b.   Does not pay attention to Meta.
     i.   Votes Lenglon for defending Tiruin from an insult. Asks why Lenglon is: Buddying, Active-Lurking, and wasting time RPing/Finding pretty colours/voting for people being jerks and creepy.
c.   Elaborates on the above points. Get’s on her for RPing and not being clear who she’s talking to.

4.   Tells Shinigami that he’s misquoting him and that he’s actually not even quoting the right person to address. [[Shini is quoting Griffionday as it turns out.]]

5.   Won’t be able to post.

6.   Can’t post often so posts tend to be large.
a.   Accuses Lenglon of doing an OMGUS
b.   “By calling jerks jerks you are a jerk.” Also states Tiruin can take care of herself.
c.   “Why keep your vote only to poke fun at Ford Lenglon?” Notes that Lenglon should be using it to pressure people and muses whether or not Lenglon is so whimsical in her single vote due to her already knowing who scum are.
      i.   “Agreeing with someone or sharing an opinion is hardly scummy.” [[Seal of Approval]] ‘If someone feels points aren’t properly addressed they may bring them up again.”
d.   Appeals to emotion don’t fly with Deathsword. Gets on Lenglon for saying “I disagree” in a huge block of text that’s emotionally infused.
e.   States that part of Lenglon’s post regarding Death “OMGUSing” is full of hypocrisy because Lenglon uses Leaf’s arguments [She accused Death of this], Lenglon makes a large flowery post when brevity would have been better [She accused Death of this], Emotional Appeals [[Death’s post was actually rather emotionless to me truth be told]], Lenglon claims Death is OMGUSing in the same post she OMGUSes him.
f.   Wants Dariush to stop insulting people and instead scum-hunt WHILE insulting people.
g.   When Lenglon is accused of being scum she gets pissed. Death feels this is a slip. [[Personally I feel it’s a null tell.]]
h.   Finishes off by arguing that he hasn’t been lurking as the 6 times he’s posted the only times he has not posted on a day have been a weekend or a single Monday. [[This has upped from 1 weekday to 3 since  this post]]

7.   States his answer to Tiruin’s question is within a wall of text even if he hasn’t pointed it out. He also mentions that he’s swamped in tests [HARD TESTS!] so that’s why he is posting somewhat infrequently.

He's sorta tunneling Lenglon, which doesn't mean much since I've done it as well. He posts, while infrequent, do have a lot of information in them. HOWEVER he's only a slight town read since he hasn't really said anything on anyone other than Lenglon. So Slight Town

@Deathsword

1. Why didn't you get on Shinigami more about misquoting you?

2. Have your views on Lenglon changed?

3. How do you feel about all the other players and why?