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[MetalSlimeHunt]

I don't know why you all are picking Iceland, they're utterly paternalistic. Iceland bans pornography, imprisons people for mocking recognized religions, doesn't require arrest warrants, and doesn't require search warrants for immigrants.

Ah, but none of this seems terribly corrupt. So they might win by virtue of being able to get 1 out of 3 down.

There's no meaningful difference between a corrupt nation with good law and a pure nation with bad law.

[misko27]

The Balkans in general are more or less a corrupt shithole, although I tend to admire them for their... slavicness for the most part I guess... I like Slavs.

I tend to like them for being-my-race-ness.

[Bdthemag]

The Balkans in general are more or less a corrupt shithole, although I tend to admire them for their... slavicness for the most part I guess... I like Slavs.

Yeah, I know that the Balkans probably suck, but I can't help but want to visit some time in the future. I'm too interested in slavic cultures and languages to care.

[Svarte Troner]

The Balkans in general are more or less a corrupt shithole, although I tend to admire them for their... slavicness for the most part I guess... I like Slavs.

Yeah, I know that the Balkans probably suck, but I can't help but want to visit some time in the future. I'm too interested in slavic cultures and languages to care.

In that case, I've heard relatively wonderful things about Croatia. It's on my list of places to at least visit.

The Balkans in general are more or less a corrupt shithole, although I tend to admire them for their... slavicness for the most part I guess... I like Slavs.

I tend to like them for being-my-race-ness.

What. I can't like slavs?

[misko27]

The Balkans in general are more or less a corrupt shithole, although I tend to admire them for their... slavicness for the most part I guess... I like Slavs.

I tend to like them for being-my-race-ness.

What. I can't like slavs?

Now when did I say that? I was just saying I was one.
 

The Balkans in general are more or less a corrupt shithole, although I tend to admire them for their... slavicness for the most part I guess... I like Slavs.

Yeah, I know that the Balkans probably suck, but I can't help but want to visit some time in the future. I'm too interested in slavic cultures and languages to care.

Go ahead, it's pretty nice. Just don't piss anyone off. (although, in general, that should probably be a rule of thumb). Maybe a relative of mine could see you. I have relatives in all of the Former Yugoslavia, and Albania, as odd as that may seem.[/quote]

[Skyrunner]

Who said South Korea is stable? Korea is the worst place to be if you actually need to work for a living.

[Max White]

Is that why there are so many professional gamers... They just needed something to do while looking for a job.

[Skyrunner]

Well, I was thinking more of the part where you get slapped with a multi-million dollar fine if you lead a strike. And being stalked if you ever was in a union. And if you sue a big company you get countersued to hell and back, an assuming you win the lawsuit the company still only pays a tiny fine and ends with that. And nowadays there's less and less actual jobs and only contracted jobs, which don't get any benefits. Then there's the sky-high college tuition, aling with the failure of the gov't to reduce it. Chose to pay 1/2 instead of force the colleges to be reasonable. Paying half just makes the colleges double their tuition, obviously. >_>

Also the crazy neighbors up north.

[GlyphGryph]

There's no meaningful difference between a corrupt nation with good law and a pure nation with bad law.

Let's just leave this at "I couldn't possibly disagree more".

[Strife26]

I don't know why you all are picking Iceland, they're utterly paternalistic. Iceland bans pornography, imprisons people for mocking recognized religions, doesn't require arrest warrants, and doesn't require search warrants for immigrants.

Ah, but none of this seems terribly corrupt. So they might win by virtue of being able to get 1 out of 3 down.

Woo humanity! We rule!
33 percent success and counting, hell yeah!

[Tyg13]

I'm personally confused with some of the America-bashing that's going on in this thread, having lived here my whole life. I agree with the fact that there is a lot of corruption in some circles, and there's a lot that we don't know about that goes on behind closed doors. I also know that we have mass media outlets like Faux News, MSNBC, or CNN that don't really report any of the actual news and provide a complete view of the story. It's not a perfect place, all-in-all.

But I mean, the average person in the United States has it pretty decent. We've got the freedom to do pretty much anything as long as it doesn't harm others in some way, and have most of the essential freedoms (i.e. freedom of/from religion, speech, protest, anonymous voting) Maybe we don't have welfare quite as much as most of Europe, but we do have unemployment benefits and tax refunds for the poor, as well as limited medicare. For the most part, you don't have to fear the government kicking down your door randomly, or being unlawfully jailed or prosecuted unfairly. Corporations do have a lot of power, but as for the everyday person this doesn't mean very much.

I don't think that it's very bad living here, I actually think it's pretty great. I wouldn't call it the best government, or the best country to its citizens, but it's certainly not the worst. As for the claim of "If you don't think police are flagrantly abusing people in the U.S. every single day, you're not paying attention." That's just downright preposterous. You just can't make a wild assertion like that and not back it up with actual evidence.

I can't answer the topic's question, because I don't know enough about all the other countries in the world. But I don't make claims about other countries when I don't have any clue what I'm talking about either, which is probably a better choice.

[SalmonGod]

But I mean, the average person in the United States has it pretty decent. We've got the freedom to do pretty much anything as long as it doesn't harm others in some way, and have most of the essential freedoms (i.e. freedom of/from religion, speech, protest, anonymous voting) Maybe we don't have welfare quite as much as most of Europe, but we do have unemployment benefits and tax refunds for the poor, as well as limited medicare. For the most part, you don't have to fear the government kicking down your door randomly, or being unlawfully jailed or prosecuted unfairly. Corporations do have a lot of power, but as for the everyday person this doesn't mean very much.

Yeah... we... sort of have these freedoms... until someone with the right connections doesn't like what you're doing with those freedoms (regardless of whether they're harming anybody or not), and then you pretty much don't have them anymore.  All it takes is for some government official to use the word terrorist (Definition: "Person we don't like") in the same sentence as your name and you have zero rights.

You have freedoms so long as you keep your head down and be submissive to authority.  That's not really freedom.

I don't think that it's very bad living here, I actually think it's pretty great. I wouldn't call it the best government, or the best country to its citizens, but it's certainly not the worst. As for the claim of "If you don't think police are flagrantly abusing people in the U.S. every single day, you're not paying attention." That's just downright preposterous. You just can't make a wild assertion like that and not back it up with actual evidence.

Every day

[Tyg13]

Yeah... we... sort of have these freedoms... until someone with the right connections doesn't like what you're doing with those freedoms (regardless of whether they're harming anybody or not), and then you pretty much don't have them anymore.  All it takes is for some government official to use the word terrorist (Definition: "Person we don't like") in the same sentence as your name and you have zero rights.

You have freedoms so long as you keep your head down and be submissive to authority.  That's not really freedom.

So what you're saying is, if a powerful enough person/entity wants you arrested or dead, then that's what will happen to you?

Well, yeah. I don't see how this is a problem endemic to the United States. Powerful people in positions of power have been abusing people they don't like for as long as people have existed. Corruption exists everywhere, and in every country in some form. To argue that somehow this is a common problem and that it happens all the time here in the U.S. would be disingenuous.

[Frumple]

... yeah, when you've got the largest prison population in the bloody world, I think calling it a common problem isn't exactly stepping too far out of line. It's great for you that you're not in a demographic group that gets regularly harassed, but not all of our country is quite that lucky.

[10ebbor10]

Yeah... we... sort of have these freedoms... until someone with the right connections doesn't like what you're doing with those freedoms (regardless of whether they're harming anybody or not), and then you pretty much don't have them anymore.  All it takes is for some government official to use the word terrorist (Definition: "Person we don't like") in the same sentence as your name and you have zero rights.

You have freedoms so long as you keep your head down and be submissive to authority.  That's not really freedom.

So what you're saying is, if a powerful enough person/entity wants you arrested or dead, then that's what will happen to you?

Well, yeah. I don't see how this is a problem endemic to the United States. Powerful people in positions of power have been abusing people they don't like for as long as people have existed. Corruption exists everywhere, and in every country in some form. To argue that somehow this is a common problem and that it happens all the time here in the U.S. would be disingenuous.

Problem is that the US legalized it with the entire war on terror thingie.