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[Pnx]

Well the democracy in the USA is really horribly done. It's a two party system full of corruption and gerrymandering. Also if you're asking which is the most citizen friendly, you might want to go to somewhere that doesn't have police regularly gunning innocent people down and getting away with it, and the whole detention without trial thing.

There's also a wide variety of ethnic/racial issues, which could be worse, but could certainly be better.

[Shades]

The Scandinavian countries aren't in the EU, so any European ruling isn't going to effect them much.

False. You should check up on what "Scandinavian countries "implies.

Sorry I should have said all the Scandinavian countries aren't in the EU, my mistake, although they are all in Europe and the EC.

[misko27]

Yeah I did. It really isn't as corrupt as it sounds. There are cases that break out from time to time, but it's not exactly a epidemic. There's too much arguing for anyone to get away with corruption without the other party noticing. And they WILL make sure he goes down. Another thign in america about the 2party system, it sure raises standards for your performance. If you fuck up, they WILL let you know. Always looking out for a advantage, a zero-sum game.
 
Again, per state, YMMV.
 
The US is a series of incredibly ridiculous people and laws held up and kept in line by a incredibly strong and steady frame-work. We wouldn't have lasted nearly as long without it. In terms of freedoms, in how many European Counties are you allowed to own a flamethrower? How about slander politicians? As my earlier comment says, the only limit is how loud you can say it. It's very broken at times, but only cracks on the surface (except for maybe corporations, which are ubiquitous and more like a ugly fungus).. Trust me when I say it really isn't as bad as it sounds.
 
Also, jus tbecause you hear there is common detention without trial, doesn't mean there is. Habeas Corpus is still fine, and Police gunning people down is pretty rare, certianly more rare then people gunning other people down (That's why you live in a safe city like New york). Frankly I can't remember the last time that happened, and when it does there is outrage.
 
Besides, Flamethrowers. And Thermite. And explosives. And Poooooorn.

[DJ]

On the other hand, in no other democracy are the politicians so blatantly for sale to the highest bidding corporation.

[misko27]

On the other hand, in no other democracy are the politicians so blatantly for sale to the highest bidding corporation.

But in other countres you don't get to know their up for sale.
 
In the US, they may be up for sale, but it is hard to pretend otherwise.
 
At times I feel way too conservative for this Forum. And I'm a liberal, so that says something.

[zombie urist]

In other countries (even in Europe) its common for police to beat suspects without any evidence. Also the right to remain silent doesn't exist.

There are plenty of police shootings in other countries too, they're just not on USA news.

[10ebbor10]

Belgium's a fairly nice place sometimes.


Oh, and the above posts are sarcastic right? I really hope it is.

At times I feel way too conservative for this Forum. And I'm a liberal, so that says something.

The most communistic American politician would be still be far right in any European country.

In other countries (even in Europe) its common for police to beat suspects without any evidence. Also the right to remain silent doesn't exist.

There are plenty of police shootings in other countries too, they're just not on USA news.

From what I've heard (note: not living in USA), the USA has a much larger problem with it than we do.

[ChairmanPoo]

Best Korea, where every day is a decisive victory

[zombie urist]

Ehh...

I live in the USA and I don't plan on moving away anytime soon.

[Shades]

I don't plan on moving away anytime soon.

To be fair that is probably true of 99.9% of people...

[MetalSlimeHunt]

I recall one study nominating New Zealand for this role. Costa Rica could also qualify, as they don't even have a military and put all efforts into improving their people's quality of life. Japan is nice but loses points for cultural hesitance even though the law is modernized.

I think you all are giving the US too much of a bad rep. Especially comparing it to Italy. Italy still has parties that openly adhere to proto-fascism. All this shit with the War on Terror and the DHS are a momentary setback that is degrading now that people are settling down from the paranoid reactions to 9/11. The TSA just now started allowing people to bring pocketknives on airlines again, and they're getting rid of the backscatter scanners.

The USA has its faults, but I find that it always does the right thing....eventually. The momentum is towards doing what is right. Most if not all of the US's moral violations have happened behind closed doors, and that is because the public doesn't accept these things if they know about them.

[MonkeyHead]

I think it is hard to lump the USA as one country under this issue. More so than any other nation, which bit of the USA you consider will determine so much more about its politics, attitudes and outlook. There seems to be more variation within the USA than in any other open nation than I can think of. For what is a faily homogenized culture, there is quite a lot of polarized partizanship - at least, looking in from the outside, and more so when there is not a common enemy for both sides to focus on. Probably a function of the two party system.

[Pnx]

Yeah I did. It really isn't as corrupt as it sounds. There are cases that break out from time to time, but it's not exactly a epidemic. There's too much arguing for anyone to get away with corruption without the other party noticing. And they WILL make sure he goes down. Another thign in america about the 2party system, it sure raises standards for your performance. If you fuck up, they WILL let you know. Always looking out for a advantage, a zero-sum game.

I dunno, the entire Bush presidency seemed to be incredibly corrupt. The Iraq war increasingly seemed to just be an excuse to funnel massive amounts of money to certain private corporations and write it off as being war expenses, and after all those billions of dollars were embezzled, did anything happen? Was anyone arrested? No, no there was not. And this is hardly a unique thing, it's just one of the largest scale acts of corruption in the last decade or so. I'm constantly hearing about smaller acts of corruption all across the nation. Like when Florida decided to change the definition of "sinkhole" to avoid insurance companies having to pay costs on all the sinkholes that are cropping up in people's properties because of the overtapped aquifer.

I'm also not sure how a 2-party system is somehow supposed to make people less corrupt than a multi party system, if you're in a system where only one them can win the office isn't there still pressure from the people not in office to make sure whoever is in office pays for corruption?

Also, jus tbecause you hear there is common detention without trial, doesn't mean there is. Habeas Corpus is still fine, and Police gunning people down is pretty rare, certianly more rare then people gunning other people down (That's why you live in a safe city like New york). Frankly I can't remember the last time that happened, and when it does there is outrage.
 
Besides, Flamethrowers. And Thermite. And explosives. And Poooooorn.

No, detention without trial is a thing, remember that bill that was signed last year? Also as rare as the police gunning people down thing seems to be, it seems to be a hell of a lot rarer in other countries.

Also could people please understand the "porn ban" is complete BS, and I'm pretty miffed that so many people seem to seriously think that liberty is something best expressed through your ability to own lethal weapons.

[DJ]

With prison and military industries being what they are, USA is a paragon of crony capitalism, so yeah, I don't think comparisons to Italy are that far fetched.

[ChairmanPoo]

I don't plan on moving away anytime soon.

To be fair that is probably true of 99.9% of people...

Considering the utter economic ruination that is visiting Europe that's likely not true.