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[Vector]

Yeah, it is.

<-- Not a Trekkie.

[Sergius]

Oh, by the way, I once bought the 25th Anniversary MAD Magazine's Star Trek Special. I think they just compiled it from a lot of older magazines. It was kinda hilarious.

Anyway, have some scans here: http://mystartrekscrapbook.blogspot.com/search/label/Mad%20magazine

[Haspen]

<-- Not a Trekkie.

Of course not

Just finished 'In the Pale Moonlight', the one with Sisko's personal log. I have new favorite DS9 episode now.

[Haspen]

* Haspen pokes the thread I:

I'm at DS9 final 9-episode-marathon-ending. I don't know who is responsible, but, god damn. 9 episodes of ending? Really?

I wonder how will Bashir's plot of 'let's lure Section 31 who have real cure with making fake news we have cure ourselves' work. I think it will be in the episode I'm gonna watch tonight.

Also, I laughed heartily when Damar welcomed Weyoun 8. Oh oh, and the line about talking again with Worf. Wonderful.

[Mongol13524]

It would be nice to put spoilers in spoiler tags, wouldn't it?

[Haspen]

Sorry

Well, just finished DS9. A nice ending to nice space opera. As far as the series go, though, my heart will remain with TNG and Picard (and others).

And I htink I will stop with Star Trek for now. I've seen TOS, TNG and DS9. I don't think I can get through VOY, considering it happens in Delta Quadrant (which means either Borg or everything new).

And ENT... Somehow I'm not interested in quirky, haphazardly constructed history classes

[Telgin]

Voyager gets a lot of hate for a lot of reasons, some of it likely well deserved.  The borg do show up pretty frequently, but I think the bigger problem is that the writing is frequently considered low quality.  The warp 10 episode is often cited there.

I'm by far more familiar with TNG than any other series, but Voyager is probably the one I'm second most familiar with.  I'd definitely rank TNG as the best from my experience, but I keep trying to convince myself to watch DS9.  Some coworkers say it's at least as good as TNG.

[Haspen]

Where TNG excels in sci-fi and episode format, DS9 excels as war drama with story arcs (often lengthy). DS9 also gets few characters from TNG, so it's not entirely new cast.

Personally I will always recommend both.

[Sergius]

Specifically, O'Brien (and Mrs.) was in the main cast of DS9 from the start, and Worf joined as a regular after the first movie (in other words, after the last episode of TNG).

Only other recurring guest stars that I can think of was the Klingon emperor-king guy, Whatshisname.

[Haspen]

Chancellor Crazy Eyes!

(aka Gowron)

[Cecilff2]

Chancellor Crazy Eyes!

Finances!

Anyways, with Voyager I lost interest.  I couldn't really respect Janeway after she

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murdered Tuvix.

[Sergius]

I was just reading about a VOY episode where a species living in a world made of water in a containment field, that was using "oxygen mines" to extract oxygen from said water, and that this was somehow increasing the water density so the containment field emitter was automatically releasing water into space to keep itself from being crushed...

I'm pretty sure that chemistry doesn't work that way, that you can end with some sort of superdense "oxygen-less" water...

EDIT: It's not like there's some magic supertech process that does it in Trek, like modulating the modularity or rotating the frequencies of the water... especially since the real life process is as simple as it can be.

[kaijyuu]

I believe the point of that episode was to build Paris's character a bit. What he values and what would bring him to violate the prime directive.

Remember Star Trek will happily forego proper science to tell the story it wants. The oxygen thing was technobabble and could've been replaced with anything.

[Sergius]

I agree they'll make up "science" on the spot to achieve the unachievable... but taking a well-known and simple process of applying electric current to water and watch it split into its component atoms strains credibility a lot. Plus the whole H₂O turns into denser water by removing the O... wtf. I'm not even a chemist, all I have is basic high school chemistry knowledge.

I would have found more credible that merely by building metal structures underwater they were adding to the total mass of the "planet". Of course it would have to be a LOT of metal.

[trekkie5249]

Voyager was probably the worst offender with altering science to fit the story. It strained the show's credibility a bit too far.