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[Sirus]

Okay, since when did Star Trek show exploding heads and alien creatures ripping out people's torsos?
Just saw TNG's Conspiracy. Good lord O_O

[Haspen]

Ahhh, that one.

As far as I know, it's the only episode which needed that special 'adult themes warning' thing when it first aired in TV.

[Sirus]

It was just so unexpected, is all. The online version didn't include the warning, so when the dude didn't simply fall over but freaking exploded it was quite shocking.

[Haspen]

Also, you will either hate or love Season 2. There's no third option for it

[Vector]

*raises hand*

Hate.  Definitely hate.

[olemars]

Was that when the writers went on strike?

[trekkie5249]

Was that when the writers went on strike?

No, that was when the writers were at their worst. It gets better from Season 3 onwards.

[Haspen]

Was that when the writers went on strike?

No, that was when the writers were at their worst. It gets better from Season 3 onwards.

Complete with the Most Dramatic Cliffhanger at season 3's end.

[Solifuge]

The end of Season 3 of TNG is probably what established it as a major series, and it was a really big deal at the time. I was just old enough to remember it when it first aired... or moreover remember my folk's reactions. I don't think I really processed what was happening, but I remembered the buzz when I was older and caught the reruns.

[Cecilff2]

After watching the first movie and seeing Spock kissing Ahura... (and two other scenes)

I just don't want to see Into Darkness. Sometimes about the series just doesn't sit right with me, it is like its littlest mistakes are somehow huge.

A quote I saw on another forum summed it up well for me

Wrath of Khan spoilers enclosed

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Star Trek II is an apt example (in more ways than one).

A major plot point of that movie is about how Kirk believes himself better than death. How he was able to beat the "no-win scenario" by cheating, and that Kirk simply didn't believe in the "no-win scenario."

By the end of the movie and Spock's death, Kirk realizes that he "knows nothing:"

"I've cheated death, tricked my way out of death, and patted myself on the back for my ingenuity. I know nothing."

He makes the realization that there ARE no-win scenarios, and this time, his friend paid with his life for his arrogance.

Despite the flashy ship battles in Star Trek II (tame by today's standards), most of the action occurs between the people, and inside of the people.

This is true for most Star Trek films (the latter two being obvious exceptions). Star Trek was always about a humanist exploration of not only space but of the human condition and all of its possibilities. The resolutions found at the end of TV episodes were not as much "oh good, we saved the world/galaxy/universe," as much as it was a resolution or exploration of a major moral/ethical question.

The new Star Trek films have shot that aspect out the airlock and opted for more a "big explosions in space" approach. It certainly sells movie tickets, but it is a great perversion of Star Trek's roots.

There's nothing inherently wrong with liking the new Star Trek movies. But as Cerrax pointed out, they are terrible at carrying on the Star Trek legacy.

[Willfor]

Wrath of Khan is the only movie in the Star Trek franchise that lives up to the standard set by Wrath of Khan. It's the high water mark that everything else has never beaten -- though some have come close. And the new movies are definitely not the first movies of the franchise to go in the direction you're talking about.

Not that I don't disagree with all of the quoted points, but they should use an average Star Trek movie instead of the pinnacle of the series to make comparisons.

[Vector]

What, you don't consider The Journey Home the pinnacle of the series?  Heretic!

[Willfor]

What, you don't consider The Journey Home the pinnacle of the series?  Heretic!

The Journey Home is like, the #2 movie in the franchise for me. It's also home of one of the best punk songs of all time (Some NSFW lyrics...).

[Haspen]

1. Wrath of Khan
2. Undiscovered Country
3. First Contact
4. Journey Home
5. Search for Spock

[Sergius]

I thought it was called The Voyage Home.