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Total Members Voted: 12

[Halfling]

Honestly, if we ever get a vampire (we actually did get one in the real first migration wave, whereupon I ended up having to savescum and which became the dream before 1st Malachite, 1001), and somebody does that, and it all ends happily with strawberry wine made of strawberries picked from the most evil forest in the world and the zombie elephants becoming our sleepless siege-killing pet guardians, I will consider the game over and won. Death itself would have become our puppy lap dog, the glum web-covered trees a cute little surface garden and the most terrifying creatures in existence the fortress mascots. It can be a community fort or whatever it wants to be from there on, or just pass into legend, because I don't know what could beat that, really.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

My next project, which I'm slowly working on, does not involve death and undeath but rather modding and hobbits, striking the clay and growing garlic and pipe-weed. It won't start before this is over, however it may end, though.

[Destra]

Well sign me up for the next one too :p but I've not had time these past few days but ill check the fort out tonight

[Hotaru]

Pipeweed? How will trhat work? Also when vampires first came out me and somebody else figured out a fix to make them not lose speed due to Alcohol_Dependent. I forgot already but I can dig it up if it becomes an issue.

[chaosgear]

Vampires are alcohol dependent? I thought they weren't.

[Remuthra]

They are alcohol dependant, but paradoxically, they can't drink.

[CognitiveDissonance]

Vampires are alcohol dependent? I thought they weren't.

From what I know, they inherit the alcohol dependence from being a dwarf, BUT! they cannot drink due to being a vampire, and end up slowing down to a crawl.

[Orange Wizard]

Or, rather, they DON'T drink, because they don't get thirsty. Well, they do, but for blood, not booze.

[Halfling]

Well sign me up for the next one too :p but I've not had time these past few days but ill check the fort out tonight

No special hurry. Being somewhat active in the thread and finishing it by 2 weeks will be great. I think I can speak for all of us when I say we're looking forward to your updates, of course.

Pipeweed? How will trhat work? Also when vampires first came out me and somebody else figured out a fix to make them not lose speed due to Alcohol_Dependent. I forgot already but I can dig it up if it becomes an issue.

Thanks. I'm not sure it will, though. Vampires aren't that common, and this fort won't get too many migrants, unless they and the outpost liaisons stop getting slaughtered. Not all overseers like vampires, either, so he might end up becoming intimate with Urist McDrawbridge, as opposed to donating blood. Not everybody likes the idea of playing Vampire Fortress, and it will be up to whoever is in charge at that time to choose. I'm not even 100% sure I would do it, since it means ending all suspense. So let's not get ahead of ourselves.

Spoiler: Pipe-Weed (click to show/hide)

Pipe-weed can be grown above ground and processed into tobacco products, which are valuable trade goods. Probably quite valuable, because it will hopefully be like, the dwarves have steel and gold, and we have this and flowers and porcelain. If it were possible I would like to make tobacco supplies slowly go down over time somehow due to people smoking, but I haven't been able to think up a good way to do it. The options I've come up with are 1) making it edible, so hobbits eat it, which is a little silly, 2) making it refuse, so it gets stockpiled in refuse piles and rots away, which is easily avoidable, not necessarily possible and a lot silly, 3) making a "smoking lounge" workshop that uses tobacco in a reaction to produce something attractive - hobbit poetry, maybe? - which is very contrived, and 4) making hobbits alcohol dependent, and tobacco the only alcohol they can make, making them tobacco dependent, which unfortunately means they'll drink tobacco and complain about not having had a drink lately, which is too ridiculous. So it will probably do nothing.

EDIT: Note to self, I just had a golden idea. If I can make smoking lounges produce happiness-generating mist (preferably around them, but in them is fine too) somehow, that will be perfect! Let's see.

EDIT2: Let's not discuss this more right now, though, so it doesn't make Ghoullights seem less important. Or let's discuss the possible future hobbit town and mod more, but by pm and not here.

[Orange Wizard]

Pipe-weed can be grown above ground and processed into tobacco products, which are valuable trade goods. Probably quite valuable, because it will hopefully be like, the dwarves have steel and gold, and we have this and flowers and porcelain. If it were possible I would like to make tobacco supplies slowly go down over time somehow due to people smoking, but I haven't been able to think up a good way to do it. The options I've come up with are 1) making it edible, so hobbits eat it, which is a little silly, 2) making it refuse, so it gets stockpiled in refuse piles and rots away, which is easily avoidable, not necessarily possible and a lot silly, 3) making a "smoking lounge" workshop that uses tobacco in a reaction to produce something attractive - hobbit poetry, maybe? - which is very contrived, and 4) making hobbits alcohol dependent, and tobacco the only alcohol they can make, making them tobacco dependent, which unfortunately means they'll drink tobacco and complain about not having had a drink lately, which is too ridiculous. So it will probably do nothing.

EDIT: Note to self, I just had a golden idea. If I can make smoking lounges produce happiness-generating mist (preferably around them, but in them is fine too) somehow, that will be perfect! Let's see.

EDIT2: Let's not discuss this more right now, though, so it doesn't make Ghoullights seem less important. Or let's discuss the possible future hobbit town and mod more, but by pm and not here.

Why not all of those things?

[Halfling]

Why not all of those things?

Well, what can I say, for reasons named there in that post.

[Orange Wizard]

Why not all of those things?

Well, what can I say, for reasons named there in that post.

Silly, contrived, and ridiculous are not reasons to not do something.

[Halfling]

Silly, contrived, and ridiculous are not reasons to not do something.

Not in themselves, no. In fact that's one lovely quote. Poignant as hell, and I'm going to think back to it when I start posting Ghoullights/other artwork. If I/SWIM ever gets it done. But, and this is really getting ahead of ourselves, I want the potential players at that time to feel like the universe they are in makes sense, and eating tobacco doesn't really, not to me at least. So a better solution is needed, if possible.

[Destra]

Lol, well, making sense is cool I guess :p

Also I hope my idea will work, as I plan to have an airlock system of tunnels, branching out from the fort, going out to the 4 sides of the map, and then 2 more tunnels going out to each of the corners, and having meeting halls in the main 4 tunnels, to be used only when migrants come, though I've never attempted this style of enterance ways before and have no idea if it will work, we shall see!!!!

[Halfling]

Great, that sounds like it will work. Suggest you add some cage traps in the tunnels to catch any zombies pursuing the migrants or just wandering in.

Instead of meeting areas you could create squads that are permanently stationed down there, then assign migrants to them as they enter the map. That may sometimes give them a better chance of survival as they will head straight down there not fearing the zombies, sometimes worse chances as they may decide to challenge a zombie elephant to a wrestling match. Or alternatively could use burrows to get them inside. Both let you control which tunnel they use. Could probably use some experimentation to find out which works best.

[Destra]

Mhmmm, definately going to include cage traps and a fair amount of them, also a nice 1 tile wide tunnel so there's no escape, if I feel real crafty I might make a bridge for extra security :p