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[LibidoMax]

If someone strikes you, strike back. If someone is going to strike you, then strike first. If someone is determined to kill you, then kill them. By refusing to defend yourself you relinquish control of the situation and your life to your assailant. People who refuse to defend themselves show a lack of dignity and invite further abuse.

Murder victims didn't fight enough. Rape victims didn't run fast enough. Broken, broken logic.

Running away is an act of self preservation, thus defending oneself. It's not the victims fault that they are not strong enough to hold out, as long as they do the best they can to preserve themselves and not lie down and take it.

[MonkeyHead]

Lying down and taking it can be a form of self preservation. Why get into a fight you cant win?

[misko27]

Lying down and taking it can be a form of self preservation. Why get into a fight you cant win?

Because you secretly have a flame-thrower strapped tto your wrist?

[LibidoMax]

Lying down and taking it can be a form of self preservation. Why get into a fight you cant win?

You dense motherfucker.
Part of being a human being is fighting even if you know you can't win. If it's a choice of lying down and taking it and fighting to the very last out of anger and spite, always choose the latter. Fight fight fight until you are bloody and broken.
How else will you make it to Valhalla? (semi-joking)

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Wait, are we still talking about rape?

[Loud Whispers]

Running away is an act of self preservation, thus defending oneself. It's not the victims fault that they are not strong enough to hold out, as long as they do the best they can to preserve themselves and not lie down and take it.

Well then your issue seems to be that you disagree with those who respond to violence with futility not those who respond with pacifism.

[MonkeyHead]

Lying down and taking it can be a form of self preservation. Why get into a fight you cant win?

You dense motherfucker.
Part of being a human being is fighting even if you know you can't win. If it's a choice of lying down and taking it and fighting to the very last out of anger and spite, always choose the latter. Fight fight fight until you are bloody and broken.
How else will you make it to Valhalla? (semi-joking)

...

Wait, are we still talking about rape?

Remember those words one day when you bite off more than you can chew and regret it.

[LibidoMax]

Running away is an act of self preservation, thus defending oneself. It's not the victims fault that they are not strong enough to hold out, as long as they do the best they can to preserve themselves and not lie down and take it.

Well then your issue seems to be that you disagree with those who respond to violence with futility not those who respond with pacifism.

Could you please explain this a bit better?

[Loud Whispers]

Remember those words one day when you bite off more than you can chew and regret it.

I like how those who eschew the wanton dependence on violence have a knack for being more terrifying than those who do.

Running away is an act of self preservation, thus defending oneself. It's not the victims fault that they are not strong enough to hold out, as long as they do the best they can to preserve themselves and not lie down and take it.

Well then your issue seems to be that you disagree with those who respond to violence with futility not those who respond with pacifism.

Could you please explain this a bit better?

It seems you do not like those who give up under aggression.

[LibidoMax]

Lying down and taking it can be a form of self preservation. Why get into a fight you cant win?

You dense motherfucker.
Part of being a human being is fighting even if you know you can't win. If it's a choice of lying down and taking it and fighting to the very last out of anger and spite, always choose the latter. Fight fight fight until you are bloody and broken.
How else will you make it to Valhalla? (semi-joking)

...

Wait, are we still talking about rape?

Remember those words one day when you bite off more than you can chew and regret it.

I'm not talking about picking a fight with everybody I come across. I'm talking about beating back those who have wronged you and the pople you love and care about. An dif I would die, then I would die a more glorious death then you can ever hope for.
Spineless, that's all you are.

[LibidoMax]

Running away is an act of self preservation, thus defending oneself. It's not the victims fault that they are not strong enough to hold out, as long as they do the best they can to preserve themselves and not lie down and take it.

Well then your issue seems to be that you disagree with those who respond to violence with futility not those who respond with pacifism.

Could you please explain this a bit better?

It seems you do not like those who give up under aggression.

I have a problem with both, I guess.

[Loud Whispers]

I'm not talking about picking a fight with everybody I come across. I'm talking about beating back those who have wronged you and the pople you love and care about. An dif I would die, then I would die a more glorious death then you can ever hope for.
Spineless, that's all you are.

When I attack someone else because they have slighted me or someone I love has told me they have slighted them, I have wronged them and shown that I am selfish and narrow minded.

I plan to live a more virtuous life than you could ever fight for.

[LibidoMax]

I'm not talking about picking a fight with everybody I come across. I'm talking about beating back those who have wronged you and the pople you love and care about. An dif I would die, then I would die a more glorious death then you can ever hope for.
Spineless, that's all you are.

When I attack someone else because they have slighted me or someone I love has told me they have slighted them, I have wronged them and shown that I am selfish and narrow minded.

I plan to live a more virtuous life than you could ever fight for.

First of all, what is your definition of right and wrong?

[Loud Whispers]

First of all, what is your definition of right and wrong?

Wrong - morally unacceptable, incorrect and unjust, varying with context of course.
Right - direction opposite the left.

[MonkeyHead]

Lying down and taking it can be a form of self preservation. Why get into a fight you cant win?

You dense motherfucker.
Part of being a human being is fighting even if you know you can't win. If it's a choice of lying down and taking it and fighting to the very last out of anger and spite, always choose the latter. Fight fight fight until you are bloody and broken.
How else will you make it to Valhalla? (semi-joking)

...

Wait, are we still talking about rape?

Remember those words one day when you bite off more than you can chew and regret it.

I'm not talking about picking a fight with everybody I come across. I'm talking about beating back those who have wronged you and the pople you love and care about. An dif I would die, then I would die a more glorious death then you can ever hope for.
Spineless, that's all you are.

Firstly, the Ad Homenim attacks mean nothing, and probably also go against forum guidelines IIRC. You might as well not bother, and instead try and construct a more coherent argument than insults.

Secondly, try and only respond to points I actually make, instead of saying things like "I'm not talking about picking a fight with everybody I come across"... I did not say that you did. I only said that if violence or agression is your first and only mode of conflict resolution, at some point it will also be the wrong one. Possibly disasterously so.

Thirdly, and most importantly:

I have had a long(ish) and colourful life. When I was young I was an arrogant little shit who felt indestructible and all powerful. I enjoyed getting my own way through force of will, and took some enjoyment out of intimidation. As I grew older and more mature I saw that such an approach lacked finesse, was crude, and infact didn't work as well as I had first thought lot of the time - people could easily manipulate it for thier own ends as it was so very predictable. Of course, like almost all young men I have been in fights. Some were (at the time) important, some were unavoidable. Some I won, some I lost. I have been lucky not to get hurt badly. Some of these fights were stupid, petty, even avoidable. Simply by initiating or entering into conflict I was worse off than by avoiding it or manipulating the situation in some other way. This isnt to say that when applying violence is the last resort that I would not - I have, and I would again. However, there is nothing to be proven by a poinless display of machismo that would result in hurt. Why would I front up against a drunk with a broken bottle over an insult? No. Would I kill to protect my family? Yes. Would I run after the inturder down the street to stab them in the back? No. The badly beaten and punch drunk boxer needs to stay down unless they get killed. The mugger holding a knife to your throat should really be given your wallet. You call a futile death glorious? Fine. You take your glorious death and I will go on living another day. What doenst kill you makes you stronger. What does kill you makes you dead.

I recomend you read the works of Sung Tzu (apologies for poor spelling) if you have not already done so. You may find it enlightening. It might even help refine your point of view.

[ChairmanPoo]

The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, fourth edition (DSM IV-TR), defines antisocial personality disorder (in Axis II Cluster B) as:[1]
A) There is a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring since age 15 years, as indicated by three or more of the following:
-failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest;

-deception, as indicated by repeatedly lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure;

-impulsiveness or failure to plan ahead;

-irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults;

-reckless disregard for safety of self or others;

-consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations;

-lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another;

Just going to leave this here...