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Author Topic: Pacifism and nonviolence in general  (Read 7776 times)

LibidoMax

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Pacifism and nonviolence in general
« on: February 14, 2013, 08:20:06 pm »

I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts on the subject.

I personally love violence. It's great for stirring up the water and getting things moving.
Plus it feels great to physically dominate someone.
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Re: Pacifism and nonviolence in general
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2013, 08:22:31 pm »

I'm nonviolent.
It means it's much harder to end up in jail.

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Re: Pacifism and nonviolence in general
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2013, 08:22:55 pm »

Plus it feels great to physically dominate someone.

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Re: Pacifism and nonviolence in general
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2013, 08:27:48 pm »

Plus it feels great to physically dominate someone.

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I'd love to hear more.
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Re: Pacifism and nonviolence in general
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2013, 08:28:31 pm »

Plus it feels great to physically dominate someone.

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His name is LibidoMax.

I smell steroids... :P
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Re: Pacifism and nonviolence in general
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2013, 08:29:44 pm »

Plus it feels great to physically dominate someone.

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I'd love to hear more.

It doesn't need anything more than silent staring, or the textual equivalent thereof.
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Re: Pacifism and nonviolence in general
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2013, 08:30:22 pm »

Nothing can corrupt his precious bodily fluids.
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Re: Pacifism and nonviolence in general
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2013, 08:41:53 pm »

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It's great for stirring up the water and getting things moving

I don't know... if you ignore his name it could just be that he has a nervous bladder.

But really... Pacifism/nonviolence and being against violence is sort of not the same thing.
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Re: Pacifism and nonviolence in general
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2013, 08:44:27 pm »

Nothing can corrupt his precious bodily fluids.
You get an internet for that reference. I love that movie.
 
Tell me, libido, if that is your real name, when did you come upon this, philosophy?
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Re: Pacifism and nonviolence in general
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2013, 09:01:04 pm »

I have yet to encounter or hear of a situation that a non-violent solution would prove to be less beneficial to all parties then a violent one, and in most situations violence is the last resort of those whose reasons for having something aren't as good as those who have it, "Sure you need that food to survive, but since I want it and I have a bigger gun I'm going to take it".

Note that this doesn't mean that I am saying if someone attempts to hit you you should just lay down and take it, but violence should be reserved for defensive purposes only.
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Re: Pacifism and nonviolence in general
« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2013, 09:02:56 pm »

I'd like to think there's pretty much nothing that would make me resort to physical violence.
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Re: Pacifism and nonviolence in general
« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2013, 09:06:10 pm »

When violence works, it works. But otherwise, i am fairly non violent. Except when I explode in anger and lose judgement.
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Re: Pacifism and nonviolence in general
« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2013, 09:21:19 pm »

Plus it feels great to physically dominate someone.
Domination and violence tend to generally be bad combinations; and on the topic itself, there are no merits to violence.

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Re: Pacifism and nonviolence in general
« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2013, 09:46:26 pm »

Domination and violence tend to generally be bad combinations; and on the topic itself, there are no merits to violence.
The merit bit especially, actually. Violence has been seen as basically the lowest form of conflict since ancient times. Sun Tzu and earlier, we hear that the masterful wins victory without battle, and that it is only the inept that considers violence anything but failure. There can be merit in the means to commit violence, I believe -- martial and physical mastery has its virtues -- but the actual expression of violence is a sign of failure. Failure to plan ahead, failure to out-think and outmaneuver your opponents, failure to master the self such that the former can be accomplished. One who can accomplish a thing without violence is greater than one who can only accomplish that thing with violence. Etc., so forth, so on.

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M'latest idle rumination on th'subject has been trying to apply a sort of modern-ish economic heuristic to the concept of physical violence. Way I currently see it, the primary reason that physical violence is of so little value is because it's ubiquitous. Nearly anyone who eats the right things and performs the right actions may become excellent at performing physical violence, and even those who do not can exert the maximal amount of violence (kill, in other words) with minimal effort. It does not take skill or genius or merit to brain someone with a rock, merely consistent effort, and sometimes not even that. So the supply approaches infinite, and further, quality makes little difference beyond a low threshold.

But the demand... the issue with it is that violence itself is but a tool -- the least of tools, but a tool nonetheless. As such, there is no demand for it, per se: There is demand for the things that can be accomplished by its use -- and there are other tools that can accomplish the same thing, but whose supply is much more limited. The value of a thing is determined by the amount of demand relative to supply. Violence is ubiquitous, other tools which accomplish the same ends are not, thus as a tool, violence is of less value than similar tools which can accomplish the same ends but are more scarce.

Still thinking on it, really. More generally, conflict has its place, but physical violence is a method of last resort. It means you have already failed, and have no other option.  If there is virtue in necessity, I cannot see it.
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Re: Pacifism and nonviolence in general
« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2013, 09:50:10 pm »

Violence is only necessary as the very last resort. Just read Frumple's.
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