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[Sergarr]

Excuse me for interrupting this lovely debate, but what the christ

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Advisor of minister of Defense: the terrorists in the Donbas have nukes with yield of 2 kilotons

[Dutchling]

Eh, even if that were true, Russia's control on their rebels is bound to be a lot better after the airplane fiasco.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

[sarcasm] It is much better if they'll use nuclear ammunition after direct order from Moscow then on their own initiative [/sarcasm]

[Sergarr]

Putin is not that crazy. He knows his salami tactics very well.

Unless he can somehow blame using nuclear weapon on Ukraine (which doesn't even have nukes), he won't do it.

[Darvi]

Ukrainian separatists infiltrating the Kremlin and ordering the nukings?

Nah, I doubt anybody would be gullible enough to believe that.

[Sergarr]

Ukrainian separatists infiltrating the Kremlin and ordering the nukings?

Nah, I doubt anybody would be gullible enough to believe that.

The only people I expect to be able to authorize nuclear weapons usage would be the President or the Minister of Defense...

This is getting very Tom Clancy-ish.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Putin is not that crazy. He knows his salami tactics very well.

Unless he can somehow blame using nuclear weapon on Ukraine (which doesn't even have nukes), he won't do it.

Easy
He will say that Ukraine never destroyed all its nukes.


PS. He is that crazy. Craziness develops with age. Fifteen years of having your ass licked and absolute power in one country aren't good for mental health, either. 

[Phmcw]

The use of tac nuke being in the doctrine of Russia in case of nato intervention is someting I hear for a long time.

If you can trust number even a little bit, Europe alone would wipe Russia's military in a few days. So the only logical answer their army could have is, indeed, nukes. And hope that no one escalate to strategic strikes.

[GrizzlyAdamz]

First, I thought they still had a sizable land army, (hasn't this been discussed before?).

Second, who does that twitter account belong to again? An 'assistant' to the minister of defense?

[Sergarr]

Putin is not that crazy. He knows his salami tactics very well.

Unless he can somehow blame using nuclear weapon on Ukraine (which doesn't even have nukes), he won't do it.

Easy
He will say that Ukraine never destroyed all its nukes.


PS. He is that crazy. Craziness develops with age. Fifteen years of having your ass licked and absolute power in one country aren't good for mental health, either.

But he can't claim that! As crazy as you claim he is, he always tries to at least look like he plays by the rules, and the rules say that Ukraine has destroyed its nuclear weapons. He cannot just say that it didn't happen when the Russia has said that it did before!

[Mr. Strange]

First, I thought they still had a sizable land army, (hasn't this been discussed before?).

Second, who does that twitter account belong to again? An 'assistant' to the minister of defense?

Aside from small core of professional solders it's sizable only when you count in conscripts, who are mostly cannon fodder. Russian army has earned it's reputation...

But he can't claim that! As crazy as you claim he is, he always tries to at least look like he plays by the rules, and the rules say that Ukraine has destroyed its nuclear weapons. He cannot just say that it didn't happen when the Russia has said that it did before!

Well, he has already claimed that there were no Russian troops in Crimea, no Russian support for Ukrainian seperatists, no Russian troops in Ukraine, that Russian aid convoy would be given to international red cross at Ukrainian border... need I go on?

[Sergarr]

All these things are much, much less flashy and screaming "Russia did this", than a goddamn nuclear explosion.

You don't seem to realize just how world-changing a tactical nuclear weapon usage would be, do you?

[XXSockXX]

But he can't claim that! As crazy as you claim he is, he always tries to at least look like he plays by the rules, and the rules say that Ukraine has destroyed its nuclear weapons. He cannot just say that it didn't happen when the Russia has said that it did before!

Well, he has already claimed that there were no Russian troops in Crimea, no Russian support for Ukrainian seperatists, no Russian troops in Ukraine, that Russian aid convoy would be given to international red cross at Ukrainian border... need I go on?

But there are no Russian troops in Ukraine, just some soldiers volunteering in their spare time (in unrelated news Russian soldiers now have 365 days of paid vacation per year). Or some Russian soldiers that got lost during a training maneuver (though one has to wonder how the Russians managed to find Berlin in '45 if they already get lost in Ukraine now).
Since there is a NATO maneuver in Ukraine, it's probably going to be a NATO nuke.
(Just kidding, I don't think Putin is that crazy.)

[WarRoot]

Hurt national pride by the West? You mean the swiss franc mortgage the Hungarians got saddled with? Or the dismantlement of Austra-Hungary back in 1921?

Hehe no, not the mortgage, I don't think that's enough but maybe one day it will be part of our history books, as the dreaded Swiss Loan Offensive. You're almost spot on with the dismantlement of Austria-Hungary, (although with the exception of some conservative old men, who sometimes get together with their Austrian counterparts for some tea and crumpets, no one misses the Austria part) so to be more precise the Treaty of Trianon is what I mean.
Plus I guess the communist propaganda also fed the 'West is out to get us' mentality.

Also, if you're Hungarian, can you tell me what Jobbik means? Last time I was in Budapest, I saw a taxi company name "Jobbtaxi", with a map of pre-1921 Hungary painted on the doors, so I'm wondering what the word means. Were those neo-nazi taxis?

Jobbik means 'better one' and Jobb can mean 'right' or 'better'. There's a joke that the whole radical right grew out of shops selling national themed t-shirts, so they might be connected to Jobbik or maybe they just want to cash in on national feelings independently. It's hard to tell the ideological leaning of taxis.

Hungary is like Russia without oil... Hmmmm... You mean Ukraine should expect Hungarian-speaking "rebels", soon?

Googled Hungarian army... Nope, not a threat

You would be amazed but once this whole Russian separatist thing started there were some guys on the fringe right shitting themselves over how we would get back our territories from Ukraine.

From the fact that Nazis were radically progressive?

Ah yes, if we just ignore all the differences any two things are alike.

The Nazis were radically cheese.

Well I don't know about every Nazi party but the Arrow Cross Party was pretty high on social justice they demanded things like universal and free healthcare and tried to provide this to their members, also tried to actively win the vote of women and had feminist organizations, and the antisemitism itself was also based on the fact that Jews were overrepresented among the higher and middle classes.

[Sheb]

Jeez, you guys need to grow over it, half of Europe was rearranged since then.