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[MarcAFK]

Sadly I agree with herr goering, but I don't agree that it's inevitable.
As an aside, that article UKRanger linked, third poster down.
Siberia...

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Seriously Siberia? You really want to give 'that' to Putin? Get a room.

[Sergarr]

Central Russia is called Central because it was the forming place of Russia. You know, I could ask you why Central England is in South East of the British Isles...

[Owlbread]

Central Russia is called Central because it was the forming place of Russia. You know, I could ask you why Central England is in South East of the British Isles...

Central England is not in the South East of the British Isles. The South East of England is in the South East of England. We call the middle of England "the Midlands", which is the closest thing England has to a centre. In Scotland "Central Scotland" either means the Central Belt, a thin point in the lower-middle where Glasgow/Edinburgh etc are, or my county which is in the geographical centre.

Spoiler: Here is my impression of "Central Scotland", one that is common in this country (click to show/hide)

It doesn't matter if Russia was historically formed in West Russia, it's geographically Western and European and in order for Russia to reform properly it should be called such. Perhaps I should have called it "European Russia", but I thought Western was pretty unambiguous.

[Sergarr]

Reform... properly... into what, exactly? Into what Russ was? A bunch of little kingdoms fighting each other constantly?


EDIT: Also, much of Russian population lives in Western Russia.

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[Owlbread]

Reform... properly... into what, exactly? Into what Russ was? A bunch of little kingdoms fighting each other constantly?

A Federation. A proper one like most countries should be, rather than the unitary state in disguise that it currently is. Russia is the biggest country in the world, over-Centralisation will not work in the long run. My personal preference is the division of Russia (and most states in the world, such as India, China etc) into nation states but I think Federalism should be a goal most people can get behind.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Reform... properly... into what, exactly? Into what Russ was? A bunch of little kingdoms fighting each other constantly?

Hard to believe that countries not united by a single tyrant can't coexist?

[LordSlowpoke]

Reform... properly... into what, exactly? Into what Russ was? A bunch of little kingdoms fighting each other constantly?

Hard to believe that countries not united by a single tyrant can't coexist?

what is yugoslavia

[Owlbread]

what is yugoslavia

What is Europe? Anyway, I think the world is much better off without Yugoslavia.

[LordSlowpoke]

what is yugoslavia

What is Europe? Anyway, I think the world is much better off without Yugoslavia.

still, it's a more or less perfect example of countries which coexisted only because there was a tyrant oppressing everyone equally

[Sergarr]

Dividing Russia? Not on my watch. Last time that happened, we got conquered and vassaled by Mongols for 300+ years, which, I can tell you, was not good.

[Owlbread]

still, it's a more or less perfect example of countries which coexisted only because there was a tyrant oppressing everyone equally

And look at how successful that was. There are ways of Russia dividing into constituent nations though that do not need to involve ethnic cleansing and violence. That would only happen if the Russian government tried to stop the division from happening. The safest way to do it is to cooperate, as happened for the most part during the collapse of the USSR. Notice - when countries were allowed by Russia to become independent things went by without much bloodshed, "much" being the keyword. When Russia tried to stop Chechnya from becoming independent, thousands and thousands of Russians were killed and the Russian nation was traumatised. Let's not even go there with how the Chechens were after that of course.

But anyway, such talk tends to go down like a cup of cold vomit with many Russians so federalism is a more constructive topic, hence why I discuss it.

Hard to believe that countries not united by a single tyrant can't coexist?

Hard to believe a good life is possible without a single tyrant ruling everything, seemingly.

Dividing Russia? Not on my watch. Last time that happened, we got conquered and vassaled by Mongols for 300+ years, which, I can tell you, was not good.

And where are the Mongols now?

[MonkeyHead]

Mongolia?

[Guardian G.I.]

Dividing Russia? Not on my watch. Last time that happened, we got conquered and vassaled by Mongols for 300+ years, which, I can tell you, was not good.

And in the very end, the Mongols were chased out and the leftover states were conquered.
However, there is no animosity towards Mongolia in Russia, probably because there hasn't been any wars between them since. Maybe if the Western powers didn't repeatedly start wars against Russia, there wouldn't be any animosity between Russia and the West right now.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Dividing Russia? Not on my watch. Last time that happened, we got conquered and vassaled by Mongols for 300+ years, which, I can tell you, was not good.

*Facepalms*
I see. You are afraid that Mongolia will do that trick again. And you need Pitin to not see that happen

PS. Russia was never vassalized by Mongols, Russia was created by Peter the Great few centuries after Mongolian empire ceased to exist

PPS. If you talk about Muscovy, you were vassalized by Tatars  (Golden Horde) not by Mongols

[Owlbread]

And in the very end, the Mongols were chased out and the leftover states were conquered.
However, there are no animosity towards Mongolia in Russia, probably because there hasn't been any wars between them since. Maybe if the Western powers didn't repeatedly start wars against Russia, there wouldn't be any animosity between Russia and the West right now.

Maybe if people didn't lap up the tripe pro-Kremlin newspapers and media outlets are force feeding them there wouldn't be any animosity between Russia and the West right now.