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[vagel7]

politicians have to do what voters want.

they have to do stuff that is moral

>implying voters always want to do moral stuff

cue middle east

It's generally known that most voters are in fact morons, extremists of something or other or just don't have a grasp of anything outside of their town/city.

[mainiac]

It's generally known that most people are cynical.

[stabbymcstabstab]

Cue 9/11. Didn't Russia invade a poor third world country  over a lot fewer deaths?

[smjjames]

Cue 9/11. Didn't Russia invade over a lot few deaths?

9/11 wasn't 'a few' deaths, what are you talking about? And 'a lot few' makes no sense.

[stabbymcstabstab]

On phone give me a second to fix it.

[Sergarr]

The only 9/11 thing in russia was the apartments bombings but then we did not invade other country, just some separatists...

[Owlbread]

The only 9/11 thing in russia was the apartments bombings but then we did not invade other country, just some separatists...

Despite only being recognised by Gamsakhurdia-era Georgia, Chechnya was an independent country with its own government, laws and even elections. It was as much of a country as Crimea is a federal subject of the Russian federation, anyway.

[vagel7]

The only 9/11 thing in russia was the apartments bombings but then we did not invade other country, just some separatists...

Isn't the Russian Federation theoretically composed of different autonomous republics that before had the right to leave the Federation?(At least by the law, which really doesn't mean much there)

[LordSlowpoke]

didn't yeltsin originally go "well, you can leave" and then chechens started to fuck around conducting terrorism against russians because fuck you soviet union even though you're a russia now and then the entire fuckstorm began

[Sergarr]

The only 9/11 thing in russia was the apartments bombings but then we did not invade other country, just some separatists...

Isn't the Russian Federation theoretically composed of different autonomous republics that before had the right to leave the Federation?(At least by the law, which really doesn't mean much there)

Let me guess, it was Yeltzin who gave them that right?

Yeltzin was a bad person. He almost ended our country after the economical crisis of 1998.

_{Thank god he gave up his power to Putin.}

EDIT: Slowpoke ninja'd me.

[Owlbread]

Isn't the Russian Federation theoretically composed of different autonomous republics that before had the right to leave the Federation?(At least by the law, which really doesn't mean much there)

The Russian Federation is theoretically composed of autonomous republics that have virtually no real power. Before Putin changed all that in the early 2000s some of them had constitutions that made them sound like semi-independent countries. Tuva is an example of that. The right to secede was never really in their power though - Yeltsin said "go, you can leave" to the former SSRs like Lithuania and Latvia and Uzbekistan, but the ASSRs within the RSFSR (e.g. Chechen-Ingush ASSR) did not have that right.

didn't yeltsin originally go "well, you can leave" and then chechens started to fuck around conducting terrorism against russians because fuck you soviet union even though you're a russia now and then the entire fuckstorm began

If Yeltsin said "you can leave", he certainly didn't follow through on that; all they did was isolate Chechnya internationally and refused to recognise their independence. The Chechen government, due to lack of international support, could not adequately police the nation and disarm the various rebel groups and warlords that now ruled the country (see Libya for modern-day reference) and the most hardline warlords formed a paramilitary group and actually invaded Dagestan in an attempt to "liberate it" from its status as a Russian colony. The invasion was put down and Russia used it as an excuse to invade Chechnya. Then came the apartment bombings which no Chechen group claimed responsibility for (even the worst of them condemned it) and that only strengthened the resolve of Russia to crush the Chechens and also the international community distanced themselves even further from them.

By 2010 every single decent and moderate leader the Chechens had had been surgically killed in either Spetsnaz assaults or missile strikes, including President Aslan Maskhadov whose death is a tragedy for the world. The only guys left are the nutjobs fighting there now; the last one was Doku Umarov, formerly President-in-exile or whatever of the Chechen Republic of Ingushetia who declared himself Emir of a new Islamic Emirate in the Caucasus. Russia only killed him after the Olympics in Sochi were over and he was no longer useful.

The only moderate leader left is also the only former field commander still alive from the First Chechen War; Akhmed Zakayev, Prime Minister of the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria, currently in exile in England and under 24/7 protection from MI5 due to Russian attempts to assassinate him.

[LordSlowpoke]

so you are saying

russia allowed and in fact caused and perpetuated a situation in which chechens would invade and fuck over a part of its territory just to spite the chechens as they retook the territory they let go on top of what was invaded

and yeltsin of all people was at the helm at the time

the same yeltsin who as you just said let go of the baltics and other places

sounds logical

[Owlbread]

I really wish you would make the effort to write clearly with punctuation Slowpoke because I had a hard time reading this and making sense of it.

so you are saying

russia allowed and in fact caused and perpetuated a situation in which chechens would invade and fuck over a part of its territory just to spite the chechens as they retook the territory they let go

Russia didn't do it to "spite the Chechens", they had to retreat because the Chechens beat them soundly in the First War which started as soon as they declared independence. They then waited for Chechnya to disintegrate; which it did.

and yeltsin of all people was at the helm at the time

the same yeltsin who as you just said let go of the baltics and other places

sounds logical

Yes, the SSRs, as opposed to the ASSRs. Chechnya was a country of 500,000 people in total - there's no way a war with them would compare with a war with, say, Lithuania or Ukraine. Or so Yeltsin thought.

[Sergarr]

somehow i can undestand slowpoke just fiiine

you need to 1-up you l33t sk1llz owlbread you'll need them in the brave new world

[Owlbread]

somehow i can undestand slowpoke just fiiine~

you need to 1-up you l33t sk1llz owlbread you'll need them in the brave new world

lad a can dae this jst fine ave nae bother writin like this wen am textin tae ma pals but min wen am tryin tae unerstaun sumthin lik an argument or a complex question lik that aboot historical geopolitics mibe a need a bit mair punctuation sae am no pourin over it tryin tae mak sense ae it syne ma een arnae acustomed tae it like

ye forgot tae pit a wee ~ efter "fiiine" an aw sae a fixd it fer ye tae mak it mair authentic

A good friend of mine used to visit the Soviet Union regularly in the 1980s. She told me about a student friend of hers from the town of Motherwell, a town in Scotland famous for its thick Lanarkshire dialect. The student, then in Moscow or something, was phoning home to Scotland to her family and chatting away when suddenly she was cut off and a deep, harsh, Russian-accented voice said on the other end of the phone "SPEAK ENGLISH".