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[Ukrainian Ranger]

In other news, Poroshenko now looks like a Putin agent.

And to think that guy got 55% of the votes 

At least I am from the 45% part.

If he is a Putin's agent....

Then peace will be achieved very soon with an outcome like that:  Donbass becomes de facto independent Russian but still influence Ukrainian politics and gets billions of free money from Ukrainian budget. And that will be called a huge victory

On a side note UR, what's the story behind your new profile picture?

Yeah it is a chevron of a national guard battalion. I have a friend serving there.

[Dutchling]

Is your friend a hacker or cyber criminal?

[WarRoot]

I have read it somewhere that the schism in Ukraine is mainly along economic ties so it makes sense that it won't be solved by force of arms.

[Sergarr]

I have read it somewhere that the schism in Ukraine is mainly along economic ties so it makes sense that it won't be solved by force of arms.

The economical schism goes that way:
Eastern Ukraine has most the production. If it goes away, then the Western Ukraine is basically fucked. Cannot pay all these loans, which it has already aquired aplenty.

And solving economical problems by force of arms has been a #1 method for quite a long time now.

[Sergarr]

Except for when you lose.

Didn't work out for Germany in WWII

Well Germany is now #1 in EU so it kinda did?

[Guardian G.I.]

Russia's RIA Novosti claims that a Russian border checkpoint "Novoshakhtinsk" on the border with Ukraine was shelled by Ukrainian mortars during the fight between Ukrainian and pro-Russian forces earlier today. One Russian border guard was injured, the checkpoint was reportedly "destroyed". Ukrainian Defence Ministry has denied involvement, according to UNIAN.

[WarRoot]

The economical schism goes that way:
Eastern Ukraine has most the production. If it goes away, then the Western Ukraine is basically fucked. Cannot pay all these loans, which it has already aquired aplenty.

And solving economical problems by force of arms has been a #1 method for quite a long time now.

Isn't most of that production reliant on Russia's markets? At least the article was about something like that, that the regions which have strong economic ties to the EU are against separatism even if they are in Eastern Ukraine.

I don't think it would work out, the EU is already blamed for everything, now imagine if one half of a country is dragged forcibly into it.

[da_nang]

Russia's RIA Novosti claims that a Russian border checkpoint "Novoshakhtinsk" on the border with Ukraine was shelled by Ukrainian mortars during the fight between Ukrainian and pro-Russian forces earlier today. One Russian border guard was injured, the checkpoint was reportedly "destroyed". Ukrainian Defence Ministry has denied involvement, according to UNIAN.

*cough*Mainila*cough*

[Sergarr]

If Putin wanted to attack, he could have done so much earlier. So stop looking in the past for all your answers, it didn't help Poles in the WW2.
I'd guess he's waiting until either 1) Poroshenko is under his control or 2) A revolt kick Poroshenko out and brings on the junta.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Isn't most of that production reliant on Russia's markets? At least the article was about something like that, that the regions which have strong economic ties to the EU are against separatism even if they are in Eastern Ukraine.

I don't think it would work out, the EU is already blamed for everything, now imagine if one half of a country is dragged forcibly into it.

Common, don't repeat Putin's propaganda. What half of a country? the area occupied by neo-Soviets is much smaller.

Let me say something about Donbass GRP:

Large chunk of it is from coal mining that receives $billions from Ukrainian budget to stay afloat. Else it has no chance to compete. It is cheaper to buy coal from Poland or Russia.
All that miners will lose their jobs in a split second should they join Russia\become part of some independent country. Even if it will be internationally recognized

Another major source of regional gross product is a Mariupol Steelworks, but those are located in Southern part of Donbass and more or less controlled by Ukraine.

Agriculture: Again it concentrated in zones controlled by Ukraine.

Chemical plants: Yes, that is a problem...  That is a double problem, not only it has notable economical value, shells flying around all that chemicals = not fun

Heavy machinery: Another problem, Donbass has few factories like that. Less then Zaporizhya or Dnipropetrovsk but still some

Defense industry: Some are there and the loss will be notable, but luckily our main facilities are further west.

Power stations: They have many coal powerplants and losing them is a hit for our power generation. But if you ask me, that inefficient, ecology killing,  Soviet-Era plants should be closed anyway.

If Putin wanted to attack, he could have done so much earlier.

He attacks. He uses less direct methods than moving tank armadas in


PS. tomorrow  is June 22, Sunday. Perfect day to attack Ukraine for a guy who follows Hitler's steps. Some large scale sabotage\provocation is likely

[smjjames]

Russia's RIA Novosti claims that a Russian border checkpoint "Novoshakhtinsk" on the border with Ukraine was shelled by Ukrainian mortars during the fight between Ukrainian and pro-Russian forces earlier today. One Russian border guard was injured, the checkpoint was reportedly "destroyed". Ukrainian Defence Ministry has denied involvement, according to UNIAN.

*cough*Mainila*cough*

What does the city of Manila have anything to do with it?

[da_nang]

Russia's RIA Novosti claims that a Russian border checkpoint "Novoshakhtinsk" on the border with Ukraine was shelled by Ukrainian mortars during the fight between Ukrainian and pro-Russian forces earlier today. One Russian border guard was injured, the checkpoint was reportedly "destroyed". Ukrainian Defence Ministry has denied involvement, according to UNIAN.

*cough*Mainila*cough*

What does the city of Manila have anything to do with it?

It's a reference to the shelling of Mainila, used as a "casus belli" by the USSR (it was a false flag attack by the USSR) to start the Winter War of 1939.

[Sergarr]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelling_of_Mainila

[smjjames]

Huh, and I thought it was a mispelling of Manila.

Is there an english transcript of that? They could have been caught in the crossfire or from a misaimed mortar.

[Sergarr]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelling_of_Mainila