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Author Topic: Sheb's European Megathread: Remove Feta!  (Read 1745051 times)

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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #6525 on: June 12, 2014, 04:49:22 am »

you keep using that word
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #6526 on: June 12, 2014, 04:53:28 am »

MSH, don't you think that Soviet society had at least some good points? Especially compared to post-soviet Russian society?
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #6527 on: June 12, 2014, 04:53:50 am »

Every piece of shit SHOULD be able to be published. That's the definition of freedom of speech, and what is shit is subjective.

You didn't say where it should be published, and Time Cube shouldn't star on the front page of major newspapers, and I know bullshit like that DOES happen, but censorship is certainly not the way to fix it. Censorship is a very, very slippery slope.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #6528 on: June 12, 2014, 04:59:00 am »

Comrade P., you're a romantic. We all are, deep down, aren't we?
I think "reactionary" might be a better term here.

I'm just 18-year-old. I'm currently arranging my life position.

MSH, don't you think that Soviet society had at least some good points? Especially compared to post-soviet Russian society?
The feel of unity?
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #6529 on: June 12, 2014, 05:00:22 am »

completely unrelated music fitting the topic of this post

Meanwhile in Ukraine, the seriousness of allegations being thrown around is intensifying:

On the 11th of June, Ukrainian Minister of Defence Mikhailo Koval declared that civilians in Eastern Ukraine will be put in "filtration camps" to weed out insurgents or people supporting them. In responce, websites and bloggers affiliated with pro-Russian forces claimed that the Ukrainian government is planning to put the entire population of Eastern Ukraine into such camps, deport them elsewhere or simply exterminate them and replace them with people from Western Ukraine.

The truthfulness of such claims is very dubious, but judging by the hatred towards people living in the East spread among Ukrainian patriots in social networks, there will be people who won't refuse to carry out the order to remove katsap from the premises.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #6530 on: June 12, 2014, 05:02:22 am »

completely unrelated music fitting the topic of this post

Meanwhile in Ukraine, the seriousness of allegations being thrown around is intensifying:

On the 11th of June, Ukrainian Minister of Defence Mikhailo Koval declared that civilians in Eastern Ukraine will be put in "filtration camps" to weed out insurgents or people supporting them. Websites and bloggers affiliated with pro-Russian forces claimed that the Ukrainian government is planning to put the entire population of Eastern Ukraine into such camps, deport them elsewhere or simply exterminate them and replace them with people from Western Ukraine.

The truthfulness of such claims is very dubious, but judging by the hatred towards people living in the East spread among Ukrainian patriots in social networks, there will be people who won't refuse to carry out the order to remove katsap from the premises.

OK, quick cultural translation:
'katsap' is a slur against Russians.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #6531 on: June 12, 2014, 05:07:38 am »

I must say it actually makes sense. Although I wonder how they'll tell insurgents from civilians.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #6532 on: June 12, 2014, 05:11:28 am »

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Like, Soviet engineering. Soviet heavy industry...
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Soviet engineering and industry produced mediocre product that was competitive only because it had no competition inside the country. If you want that back you should raise new iron curtain

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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #6533 on: June 12, 2014, 05:29:03 am »

I like that I can state my opinion without the fear of being dropped out of school, losing my job or being locked up in prison.
Pretty sure that still happens in the modern world. I mean, look at Snowden.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #6534 on: June 12, 2014, 05:31:53 am »

He didn't state his opinion - he stole national secrets. Whether he was right to do so is another question, but it certainly wasn't covered by freedom of expression.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #6535 on: June 12, 2014, 05:33:57 am »

when the government being shit is a national secret, blaming people for proving that it's a shit means your priorities are all topside flipward
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #6536 on: June 12, 2014, 05:34:46 am »

He didn't state his opinion - he stole national secrets. Whether he was right to do so is another question, but it certainly wasn't covered by freedom of expression.
Uhhh

Then how about that story with The Guardian attempting to do something and then getting its servers physically destroyed?
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #6537 on: June 12, 2014, 05:44:38 am »

It involved national secrets.

All hail Catch 22.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #6538 on: June 12, 2014, 05:47:33 am »

you keep using that word
Do I? I don't recall using it very often, and I tend to get awareness of my overused words pretty frequently.

On the other hand, if you are attacking my usage of it as incorrect, no. Comrade P.'s political philosophy is very much centered around "bringing back the past, which was good" and "stopping the liberals from ruining everything". This is reactionary politics verbatim.
MSH, don't you think that Soviet society had at least some good points? Especially compared to post-soviet Russian society?
Not....really. I mean, it's nearly impossible for a society to be totally devoid of good points (except Best Korea), but the USSR was only barely a plus in the twilight of its existence, and massively negative before that point. The early USSR wasn't far removed from a red-painted continuation of the Tsardom, the middle USSR was Uncle Stalin's Playhouse Of Terror, and the late USSR stagnated and died.

Since the USSR more or less used all the non-Russian people who were part of it as clients to be expended if necessary, all of them are certainly better being out of it than not. As for Russia itself, the continuation of the Russian SSR might have been a superior solution to the Russian Federation, but the real problem lied in Gorbachev's fuck ups segueing into Yeltsin's truly monumental alcohol-fueled failures. Tough times in a new democracy are never, ever good. Sometimes that can be overcome. But sometimes you get a man like Putin.

I guess I like their space program, but my respect for space programs is nearly universal anyway.
I'm just 18-year-old. I'm currently arranging my life position.
Holy shit, you're younger than me. (Also, some of you reading this now remember that I am 20 and are again panicking that I'm younger than you.)
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The feel of unity?
Unity, like tradition, is occasionally benevolent, usually benign, and often a severe, severe malignancy when the shit hits the fan. I, for example, would not say that the unity of my own countrymen in trying to burn civil rights on the altar of national security post-9/11 to have been a positive. Further, unity usually means the alienation and suppression of those who aren't willing to jump on the unity train. Dissent is better than unity. It is why the powerful try so hard to kill it.
He didn't state his opinion - he stole national secrets. Whether he was right to do so is another question, but it certainly wasn't covered by freedom of expression.
They weren't the CIA's secrets to keep in the first place. A nation should not hide things from its people.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #6539 on: June 12, 2014, 05:50:29 am »

Guys, I'm not defending the NSA - I'm just saying that Snowden's actions were not covered under freedom of expression. Under common sense, yes - but that's a different thing, isn't it?
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