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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #5460 on: May 18, 2014, 04:31:56 pm »

National-Bolshevicks... How does that name even start to make sense? The Bolshevicks are the proponents of international class warfare (workers vs capitalists), the Nationalists are all about nationality, how in the name of Flying Macaroni God do you combine those two??? Declaring a specific combination of nationality and class to be totally better than everybody?

Presumably, for most of their electorate, 'Bolshevism' means 'Do things like we used to back in my days'.
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« Reply #5461 on: May 18, 2014, 04:48:00 pm »

National-Bolshevicks... How does that name even start to make sense? The Bolshevicks are the proponents of international class warfare (workers vs capitalists), the Nationalists are all about nationality, how in the name of Flying Macaroni God do you combine those two??? Declaring a specific combination of nationality and class to be totally better than everybody?

Presumably, for most of their electorate, 'Bolshevism' means 'Do things like we used to back in my days'.

Wait, but the Soviet Union is better described with "Socialism" rather than "Bolshevism", so it should be national-socia... ah, yes, right.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #5462 on: May 18, 2014, 04:56:09 pm »

Comrade P, I used to share your opinion on affirmative action until I read this paper by Dufflo. Basically, villages at random in India were forced to elect a woman as village chief. After a term, those village that had a woman chief were more likely to elect a woman, and villagers there were more likely to approve of a speech given by a woman.

So affirmative action, when well-designed, can help groups take their rightful place.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #5463 on: May 18, 2014, 05:11:55 pm »

It is 2 A.M. right now and I'm afraid that I cannot adequately understand such a paper right now, so I saved that for further reading.

However, the very idea of affirmative action is still somehow unpleasant, or better to say disturbing to me despite being useful. I cannot explain why, really.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #5464 on: May 18, 2014, 05:16:26 pm »

Comrade P, I used to share your opinion on affirmative action until I read this paper by Dufflo. Basically, villages at random in India were forced to elect a woman as village chief. After a term, those village that had a woman chief were more likely to elect a woman, and villagers there were more likely to approve of a speech given by a woman.

So affirmative action, when well-designed, can help groups take their rightful place.
I wonder, what happened afterwards? Because I can imagine that these villages could develop a "us vs them" mentality against each other.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #5465 on: May 18, 2014, 05:26:09 pm »

Between men & women?

I'm sure it was a bloody conflict indeed. :3
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #5466 on: May 18, 2014, 05:43:46 pm »

Hm. Debatable. Greed at the highest levels, usually. The common soldier doesn't see much profit from the greed, and so needs to believe they are righteous in what they do, as the enemy is a hideous barbarian who eats their children. Or somesuch.
If soldiers were uniform automatons that never strayed from orders and protocol, the world would be dead several times over. Even within  a single regiment the reasons will vary, the armed forces are the coillection of the simplest and brightest minds around. More often than not it is the public which must be convinced that they under attack,  and not in fact the "common soldier."

On the topic of tatars and the hardships of WWII, Russia should know suffering better than anyone and again answering the crimes of Stalin with injustices against Russians and Ukrainians will not work. They also have tanks. Tanks help.
Secondly if we start holding Russians up to the crimes of their forebears... We can't talk shit,  which is why I avoid those arguments.

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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #5467 on: May 18, 2014, 06:17:09 pm »

However, the very idea of affirmative action is still somehow unpleasant, or better to say disturbing to me despite being useful. I cannot explain why, really.
I have the same issues with affirmative action, but I also see why it could sometimes be useful to overcome 'artificial' barriers. My proposal would be to limit the duration of any affirmative action measures: If a 'natural' barrier exists, it will reassert itself after that time,  but any 'artificial' barrier will be broken.


By the way: Can anyone point me to an English translation of Foundations of Geopolitics by Dugin? Or any other book by him that explains his political and geopolitical views - he seems important enough to warrant the expense of time and money.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #5468 on: May 18, 2014, 06:49:29 pm »

However, the very idea of affirmative action is still somehow unpleasant, or better to say disturbing to me despite being useful. I cannot explain why, really.
I have the same issues with affirmative action, but I also see why it could sometimes be useful to overcome 'artificial' barriers. My proposal would be to limit the duration of any affirmative action measures: If a 'natural' barrier exists, it will reassert itself after that time,  but any 'artificial' barrier will be broken.


By the way: Can anyone point me to an English translation of Foundations of Geopolitics by Dugin? Or any other book by him that explains his political and geopolitical views - he seems important enough to warrant the expense of time and money.

I find paying for a book advocating Bolshevism objectionable.
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« Reply #5469 on: May 18, 2014, 06:54:10 pm »

But I'll get rid of Capitalist money!
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« Reply #5470 on: May 18, 2014, 07:58:40 pm »

On the topic of tatars and the hardships of WWII, Russia should know suffering better than anyone and again answering the crimes of Stalin with injustices against Russians and Ukrainians will not work. They also have tanks. Tanks help.

I haven't advocated any injustices on Russians or Ukrainians to answer the crimes of Stalin.

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Secondly if we start holding Russians up to the crimes of their forebears... We can't talk shit,  which is why I avoid those arguments.

The problem is when Russians deny the crimes of their forebears and ignore the crimes that are going on today, or worse still, accept them with the argument "but look at what the Americans are doing".

It's funny you would say that though Loud Whispers, I remember you being very pro British Empire. Forgive me if I'm wrong.
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« Reply #5471 on: May 18, 2014, 11:20:03 pm »

Russians doesn't admitting their crimes is rather sad... But what saddens me more: majority of foreigners tend to ignore Russian crimes with that "USA does ad things,  too!" argumentation

The world would be much, much better place if it(or at least "The West") didn't ignore all that crimes in North Caucasus.
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« Reply #5472 on: May 19, 2014, 02:47:09 am »

It is 2 A.M. right now and I'm afraid that I cannot adequately understand such a paper right now, so I saved that for further reading.

However, the very idea of affirmative action is still somehow unpleasant, or better to say disturbing to me despite being useful. I cannot explain why, really.

Well the idea of any kind of state discrimination is unpleasant, I agree. But sometime, it' fighting a greater evil with a lesser evil. Still, I'm in total agreement with Helgoland, as ofter (I'm starting to wonder if he's my long-lost little brother from across the border): any kind of positive discrimination should come with a sunset clause. Just like subsidies, or any government policy that create a powerful interest group.

Sergarr: AFAIK, the policy is still going on, with the villages forced to elect a female leader changed every election cycle.
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« Reply #5473 on: May 19, 2014, 03:10:35 am »

In regards to the seperatist commander looking sad or disappointed a few pages back, disappointed seems about right since they tend to have hundreds of troops ranging from veterans,  idealistic coal miners and al the way to criminals just trying to smuggle cheap weapons, so its a mixed bag but they aren't for want of manpower any time soon.

I haven't advocated any injustices on Russians or Ukrainians to answer the crimes of Stalin.

The problem is when Russians deny the crimes of their forebears and ignore the crimes that are going on today, or worse still, accept them with the argument "but look at what the Americans are doing".

It's funny you would say that though Loud Whispers, I remember you being very pro British Empire. Forgive me if I'm wrong.
1. Advocated giving exclusive voting rights to tatars, which makes as much sense as giving exclusive voting rights to native americans in north america.
2. I kinda want America to sort out their shit too. In any case, with exception to Germany all countries in wwii are as fond of talking of their war crimes as russia,which is to say not at all. Historic treatment of russians and ukrainians by tatars hasn't been one bit better than the reverse,  and as for today turning it into a new tatar republic wouldn't work because there's now a metric fuckton of slavs there.
3. Not sure how you can be pro something that doesn't exist. I suppose you mean I generally admire it? Which is true enough.

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« Reply #5474 on: May 19, 2014, 04:06:40 am »

Still, I'm in total agreement with Helgoland, as ofter (I'm starting to wonder if he's my long-lost little brother from across the border)
I'm actually pretty conservative, just pragmatic about it... Plus I don't like the Greens too much, but that might just be my general disgust at the German national character - they may be better abroad.
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