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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #5070 on: May 06, 2014, 02:01:13 pm »

Yes, the Americans get involved too. Fact is, the Clintons coming over really did nothing but rile protestants, and the diplomats that came over may reason, but for many reason doesn't work. Still, no point in not trying...granted, I'd rather the Clintons would just...not come  ::)
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #5071 on: May 06, 2014, 02:15:38 pm »

Treat it like Korea does, I think - pick and choose when you want to be known as "Korea" or "South/North Korea" as and when it suits you.

Northern Ireland will hereafter be referred to as "Best Ireland".  :P
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #5072 on: May 06, 2014, 02:19:31 pm »

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Northern Ireland will hereafter be referred to as "Best Ireland".  :P

I'm not sure if the Loyalist community will be very happy with that.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #5073 on: May 06, 2014, 02:37:52 pm »

Replies are gonna come in order of your statements.



Yes, I misworded my end, I suppose. We make 9 billion. Great Britain supplies 18 billion. Ergo, there is a deficit of 9 billion.

The politicians here would fall apart without external glue and convention holding them together, it's that volatile. The politicians are almost infantile in their squabblings, and I have next to no respect for them.

What can be done is being done. It's in the best interests of Great Britain for it to be so. Though, Queens University specialises in poetry, that isn't quite what you mean. We specialise in CAD, in particular for the planes, and agriculture. CAD leads in to many other things, such as engineering, etc.

That highlighting of 18 billion was meant to go towards the point that we make nine billion. Great Britain loses 9 billion in this deal. Makes self reliance improbable, no?

We are already largely self governing, why should we care. We co-operate with Ireland on some policies, Great Britain on others.

I'm all for Northern Ireland taking a long look at itself. Also, don't call it the north-That's seen as a republican thing to say :P It implies a lack of separation, i.e. the North of Ireland instead of Northern Ireland. Little difference, but the little things matter.

It's not as separate as it can get. As said earlier, the Republic has a say in policies, and beyond that are entitled to make suggestions. A split with everyone would see a break down of the Good Friday Agreement. And, if it did lead to further integration, it would be opposed twenty times more vehemently by Protestants, with agnostic wee me in the middle of them.

Really, there's little benefit and many downsides. We essentially govern ourselves. We have a relation with Ireland that, whilst being strained, is still there. We get financial, military and political backing. (not to mention the NHS)

A separate country? Why in blazes :P

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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #5074 on: May 06, 2014, 02:41:45 pm »

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Northern Ireland will hereafter be referred to as "Best Ireland".  :P

I'm not sure if the Loyalist community will be very happy with that.
Would they be mollified by a photoshop of Peter Robinson as Kim Jong Un?

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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #5075 on: May 06, 2014, 02:42:37 pm »

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Northern Ireland will hereafter be referred to as "Best Ireland".  :P

I'm not sure if the Loyalist community will be very happy with that.
Would they be mollified by a photoshop of Peter Robinson as Kim Jong Un?

(sadly, the only closest thing I can find is this:)
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No. Though that man is a prat.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #5076 on: May 06, 2014, 03:18:17 pm »

This might have come up before, but I'm wondering why you seem so against Scotland leaving the Union, when they're basically in the same situation as the Irish and Northern Irish, just on the other side of the coin. If you don't want Northern Ireland to become a part of the Republic, why then do you turn around and say Scotland should stay a part of the UK? Any arguments that say it would be better for the UK could be easily applied to saying it would be better for the Republic~ :P
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #5077 on: May 06, 2014, 03:20:20 pm »

This might have come up before, but I'm wondering why you seem so against Scotland leaving the Union, when they're basically in the same situation as the Irish and Northern Irish, just on the other side of the coin. If you don't want Northern Ireland to become a part of the Republic, why then do you turn around and say Scotland should stay a part of the UK? Any arguments that say it would be better for the UK could be easily applied to saying it would be better for the Republic~ :P

NI is already part of the UK, soooooo...
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« Reply #5078 on: May 06, 2014, 03:25:23 pm »

As I said previously, Owlbread has convinced me that it may be in the best interests of Scotland. Of course, such things as military same shaky to me, but in the long term it may work out. I wait with bated breath. More for tradition's sake, if you must know...I like standing together, as opposed to apart, and it seems so easy to divide and conquer, politically or otherwise.

No. They really wouldn't. Ireland is small. It has a poor economy. It doesn't have that much political weight. Great Britain has ties with America and, whilst Ireland is somehow loved by them, they don't have quite the same connection. To sum, Great Britain is stronger politically, economically, and military wise.

And, for me, there is the added flavour of loyalty to my roots.

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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #5079 on: May 06, 2014, 03:29:03 pm »

This might have come up before, but I'm wondering why you seem so against Scotland leaving the Union, when they're basically in the same situation as the Irish and Northern Irish, just on the other side of the coin. If you don't want Northern Ireland to become a part of the Republic, why then do you turn around and say Scotland should stay a part of the UK? Any arguments that say it would be better for the UK could be easily applied to saying it would be better for the Republic~ :P

NI is already part of the UK, soooooo...
That has less than nothing to do with what I asked.

Let me try and rephrase.

Scotland is to England what Northern Ireland is to Ireland. What you do not want to happen to Northern Ireland (joining with a larger, more populace country) has already happened to Scotland. Any arguments against Northern Ireland joining Ireland could be used in regards to Scotland staying a part of the UK.

The only differences is that NI is a part of the UK, butI'm mostly speaking culturally and politically. (As it is fucking obvious that economically it is hugely different) NI is as different from Ireland as Scotland is from England culturally, and NI is fairly similar culturally to the UK (perhaps would be less so if/when Scotland leaves, since so many Northern Irish are Scots-descent) it still works. NI would be leaving a cultural sphere it is related to, to join a cultural sphere it is not, while Scotland is already a part of a cultural sphere it is not related to and would separate away to it's own sphere.

I suppose the size differences are also a factor, but Northern Ireland is actually only a third the size of Ireland population-wise, while Scotland is a tenth of England. So, if the Northern Irish would be subsumed under the Irish identity, than it stands to reason that the Scottish identity would be subsumed even further. The economic differences would probably come into play here, considering that the Scottish are not erased as a culture (though perhaps that would imply that Northern Irish would also not be erased?)
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #5080 on: May 06, 2014, 03:41:33 pm »

Anyway, I'm not sure that was the point he was making.

As far as I can tell, it's that Northern Ireland is currently better of as part of the UK, than it would be as part of Ireland. Which is probably true, seeing as Ireland isn't in the best financial position at the moment, and Northern Ireland isn't exactly going to help with that.
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« Reply #5081 on: May 06, 2014, 03:51:33 pm »

I think he was trying to exclude economics, for whatever reason. But anyway, the relationship between Scotland and England was violent centuries ago. The relationship between Northern Ireland and Ireland has been violent up to present day.

"While Scotland is a tenth of England." Out of curiosity, do you mean England or the U.K.?

I'm sorry, I can't quite follow your point. I am trying, though.

Could you rephrase, and talk as if to a baby? :P
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« Reply #5083 on: May 06, 2014, 03:57:23 pm »

Har de har har, ain't you a barrel of laughs?  ;D
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« Reply #5084 on: May 06, 2014, 03:58:50 pm »

*shrug* This is what I get for not filtering my thoughts like I normally do.
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