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[scrdest]

Seriously, why would anyone oppose this? Why would people want to make sure people have a long, undignified, painful death rather than the one of their choosing?

-Patients can often not be in their right mind when encountered with a disease or ailment that causes them great distress.
-Some people object to any doctors becoming involved in any death-dealing business.
-Patients could become distrustful of medical professionals if they can hold the authority to killing you, good death or no.
-Professionals can sometimes make the wrong call. Death cannot be undone.
-Doctors struggling with sparse resources could endorse euthanasia as a policy to save costs.
-Illnesses with 'no hope of recovery' today could be easily reversed with the cures of tomorrow.

Oh, and depression ain't a good enough cause. But if someone wants to die, why should we stop them?

Because people change their minds often, but death is so final.

I stand by letting people do whatever they damn please about their own particular life. You want to die, go die. Someone could change your mind and that would be fine, but forcing people to live against their will is also not much of a good thing.

[Max White]

-Patients can often not be in their right mind when encountered with a disease or ailment that causes them great distress.
-Some people object to any doctors becoming involved in any death-dealing business.
-Patients could become distrustful of medical professionals if they can hold the authority to killing you, good death or no.
-Professionals can sometimes make the wrong call. Death cannot be undone.
-Doctors struggling with sparse resources could endorse euthanasia as a policy to save costs.
-Illnesses with 'no hope of recovery' today could be easily reversed with the cures of tomorrow.

-That is why they are subject to psychiatric evaluation.
-I'm left wondering why they object.
-People still trust surgeons that need to make irreversible amputations.
-Cases that end in euthanasia are way past the point of there being a wrong call.
-Doctors aren't accountants. While they understand that they have finite resources, they are trained to use what they must and let the bean counters go from there.
-We are talking about cases so far progressed that even if a cure was found, chances are it wouldn't help anymore.

This isn't a case of "You can cancer, we can kill you later today." but rather "All of your vital organs have ceased to function, the pain you are experiencing is going to become intolerable, we are going to have to sedate you until death, here are your last options."

[Sheb]

-Patients can often not be in their right mind when encountered with a disease or ailment that causes them great distress.

Hence the psychological evaluation.

-Some people object to any doctors becoming involved in any death-dealing business.

Why?

-Patients could become distrustful of medical professionals if they can hold the authority to killing you, good death or no.

They don't have the authority to kill you, euthanasia has to start with a request by the patient.

-Professionals can sometimes make the wrong call. Death cannot be undone.

Again, responsibility come from the patient.

-Doctors struggling with sparse resources could endorse euthanasia as a policy to save costs.

Again, doctor don't have the authority to kill.

-Illnesses with 'no hope of recovery' today could be easily reversed with the cures of tomorrow.

Cures don't come into being overnight we're talking about seriously sick people here.

[Dutchling]

Russia becomes even more anti-American

[Max White]

Russia becomes even more anti-American

I'm not sure I'm completely adverse to that though... I may be going off misinformation here, but aren't those in general considered a bad thing for the children?

[Dutchling]

I assume so too, yes? Not entirely sure why you think I don't agree with the potential ban.

[LordSlowpoke]

if that is anti-americanism i'm not sure if i'm particularly pro-america myself

[Max White]

I assume so too, yes? Not entirely sure why you think I don't agree with the potential ban.

I don't know, because it is Russia, specifically their right wing conservatives doing it? They're the baddies, right? Right?
What I would do if it turned out I couldn't just stereotype political persuasions into good and evil?

[Sheb]

I think LordSlowSpoke is anti-Irony.

[Owlbread]

I don't know, because it is Russia, specifically their right wing conservatives doing it? They're the baddies, right? Right?
What I would do if it turned out I couldn't just stereotype political persuasions into good and evil?

You can though in certain instances. It's indisputable that the Tories in Scotland/UK whether red or blue are the devil incarnate and the SNP are the Tartan messiahs sent by God, who is obviously on Scotland's side.

Just take a look at what hyper-Christian ultra-baptist extraordinaire John Mason SNP MSP had to say about it at Christmas time:

“I would maintain there is no one Christian line to take on Scottish independence,” he writes. “However, there is a principle from the time of the Tower of Babel that God split the peoples up as too much centralisation was a potentially a dangerous thing. So it could be argued that we should be wary of larger national units and supportive of smaller ones.”

[Max White]

Actually I would disagree and throw support behind larger national units, as opposed to smaller independent ones, on the condition that everybody within that unit is treated equally. The setup within the UK is somewhat lopsided and exploitative, but it doesn't mean all nations unions have to be that way. After all I imagine independent Scotland would be looking to join the EU, right?

[Owlbread]

We would indeed, and we'd be more pro-active about it than the UK is currently although we probably wouldn't accept the loss of our national independence again. You never know though, I heard once very depressingly that independence is an old man's dream (not from a Scot, I read it in an article about Africa, but still). Maybe our descendents will see things that way.

[Max White]

Well then, every time somebody says you are 'Better together' and gain 'Strength through Unity' you can wholeheartedly agree, and that is why you must leave the UK to be a more active part of the much larger EU. 

[XXSockXX]

German press is slowly catching up on Scottish Independence beyond "this might be happening". Just read today that the UK doesn't want to share the pound...

[Owlbread]

Yes. I have been watching this like a hawk, but I am waiting for the SNP to go on the counter offensive before I give a response. I could take a stab at it but I'd rather wait this through for a bit to see where we stand.