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[Descan]

* Descan is waiting for tower-agriculture in cities to take root.

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WE SHALL LIVE IN SELF-SUSTAINING ARCOLOGIES IN THE FUTURE!

[Helgoland]

Could somebody calculate the necessary energy-conversion efficiency for that? I doubt it's viable...

[Max White]

* Descan is waiting for tower-agriculture in cities to take root.

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WE SHALL LIVE IN SELF-SUSTAINING ARCOLOGIES IN THE FUTURE!

I'm doubtful that there is enough area on the roof of a building to support the number of people living in there, especially for very tall structures, but we can hope... I guess a lot more shopping centers and office blocks is the future?

[kaijyuu]

* Descan is waiting for tower-agriculture in cities to take root.

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WE SHALL LIVE IN SELF-SUSTAINING ARCOLOGIES IN THE FUTURE!

I'm doubtful that there is enough area on the roof of a building to support the number of people living in there, especially for very tall structures, but we can hope... I guess a lot more shopping centers and office blocks is the future?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertical_farming

[Andrew425]

But then you're using a massive amount of power feeding those plants.

It's usually easier and cheaper to just use solar power on the fields rather then building the fields of solar panels

[Descan]

Yeah, it's not "Stick some gardens on the roof tops and call it a day", it's engineering an entire structure so each level gets sunlight (I'm a fan of mirrors, personally. Might need supplemental light, though), water and food, and farming on it. Stacking your fields up, rather than out.

'Course, it might well be extremely energy intensive and need like, fusion-power or something. Solar satellites or something.

[LordSlowpoke]

crops powered by fusion.

bring on the science!

[10ebbor10]

The point is to have entire vertical structures that are solely farms. Point is, you need about 0.5 hectare per meter. 1 hectare = 0.01 square km.  Densest inhabited cities have population numbers of up to 20.000 per square km.

So, per km² you need 100 km² of agricultural soil. So if you manage to install 100 floor skyscrapers on top of everything else, you're fine.

Note, areal land needed based on American estimates. High intensity farming probably has far higher production.

[Owlbread]

Huh, that's the first reasonable argument I've heard for small farms.
Not the employment one, the productivity one - as technology and society advance, increases in efficiency and the job losses that go with it are beneficial for society as a whole. The clothing we wear is machine-made, and nobody would try and change that now, for example.

Hey Owlbread, could you do the Wahl-O-Mat? Google Translate might be useful

2009 Bundestagswahl: https://www.wahl-o-mat.de/bundestagswahl2013/

Thank you very much sir. I compared my views with the main Bundestag parties and found that I was closest to Die Linke (73%), then SPD (64%), then the Greens (64%), then FDP (46%), then CDU/CSU (31%). I could check other specific parties if need be. I did check a few more out of interest and found out I had 69% in common with NDP (!) but 71% in common with the Pirates, then the highest of all was PSG (Social Equality Party) at 76%. MLPD were at 71% then the Violets were at 71%. Die Frauen were at 73%, same as Die Partei.

2009 European elections (ENGLISH!): https://www.wahl-o-mat.de/europa2009/main_app.php?sprache=1&womeuropa2009=367f22c112fa61cf5aa5f5ba1cf15f1d&servername=www.wahl-o-mat.de

Of the EU parties offered for comparison in this poll, I am closest to Die Linke then the Greens, then the SPD, FDP, CDU, CSU. There are however a number of issues I disagreed with the top three on however, such as on GM crops (of which I am in favour) and a smoking ban (which I am against).

I did not add any weighting to my decisions. I seem to be ranking very high in these surveys among the Far Left.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Spoiler: Hope Owlbeard will not hate me (click to show/hide)

 
British National Party   60%
Conservative Party   53%
Labour Party   47%
United Kingdom Independence Party   47%
Democratic Unionist Party (Northern Ireland)   40%
Ulster Conservatives and Unionists-New Force   40%
Plaid Cymru - Party of Wales   33%
Green Party   27%
Liberal Democrats Party   27%
Sinn Féin   23%
Scottish National Party   20%

But hey! I support Scottish independence. I really do

[Owlbread]

Don't worry, my hatred is not particularly strong. It's just a little bit of a pang every now and then, nothing that will come between us in our mutual pursuit of national freedom.

I'm joking of course, there's no problem.

But yes, your comparison was not too surprising. The BNP share many platforms with Svoboda, although the Tories are amusingly high there.

[XXSockXX]

I did not add any weighting to my decisions. I seem to be ranking very high in these surveys among the Far Left.

Go see a doctor, you might have communism  . Die Linke is a party I don't have much good to say about, while I guess you are pretty left-leaning, they might be too ideologically nostalgic for you.

Actually I think the weighting helps to get more accurate results, if I don't do that my results can be weird too.

Then of course some statements relate to specific German issues in that specific election, so you might not know the context for some. (For example IIRC there was a question about public health insurance, which might sound like "everybody should have health insurance" to you, but was actually about completely abolishing private health insurance. There are quite a few others like that).

[Helgoland]

Actually, I think he's just being grouped with fringe views - MLPD (Marxist-Leninist Party of Germany), Die Linke, NPD (neo-Nazis) and Violets (down-and-out crazies, rooting for "spiritual politics" and a "new age of crystals" or something) all coming in at 70%? That's not all about being left.

[XXSockXX]

Yeah, but there are some statements that - with all weighted equal - will immediately put you to the extreme fringes, like "Germany should leave the NATO" or the one about bans on parties opposed to the constitution.

[GreatJustice]

For the German parties in the more expansive poll, I wasn't terribly close to anyone, but the top ones were the FDP, REP, Pirates, and Volkstabsitmmung. A bit closer to reality than the other poll, I think.