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[Aklyon]

You can also get the map exchange string from the load game menu, which is something like the map seed combined with all the generation settings.

Thats what I was trying to think of, yeah.

[Vendayn]

doesn't look like the small island save works for me. Just says can't be loaded in the current version of Factorio (I should have the latest too, its on steam and it doesn't need to update)

I also tried the seed and didn't get what you got

[Sean Mirrsen]

Oh. Huh. So that's what that is.

Well, in that case the exchange string is

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>>>AAAMAB4AAAACBQYAAAAEAAAAY29hbAIEBAoAAABjb3BwZXItb3Jl
AgIECQAAAGNydWRlLW9pbAEEBAoAAABlbmVteS1iYXNlAwQCCAAAAGl
yb24tb3JlAQMEBQAAAHN0b25lAgUCIp0i1SAyAAAxCQAAAAAAAAAAAA
ACAFI6rPg=<<<

[Parsely]

Watching LPs of this it seems to me that most of your time is spent just making stuff more efficient, which the essence of that is fine, but I get the sense that the aliens don't actually have much of a presence in the mid-late game and at that point you're no longer building to survive but just for the sake of building. What do you guys who've played for a while think? I ask because I would only be inclined to play this game if the enemy was actually challenging throughout the game.

[n9103]

It can depend greatly on how you play.
If you're the kind that doesn't care about being low-pollution, then the biters will be making you fight tooth and nail constantly until you get up a significantly large automated defense.
If you would rather play as ecologically friendly as you can manage, then you can get by with very rare attacks, and by far the largest source of conflict will be your own attacks to retrieve alien artifacts.
Either way, there are mods that can change this greatly.

Something like RSO is good for putting more emphasis on useful/significant expansion, even into the late game.
Surviving long enough and getting that rocket up in space is no small feat most of the time.

That being said, if you don't pollute, and don't expand, there's no conflict to be had, as (last I checked) there are no timed attacks.

[Glloyd]

It can get pretty hard around 100% evo. You've gotta balance expansion with defence, but at that point, it's really hard to kill biters without mods or a shitton of laser turrets. If you want a real challenge, max out biter settings with RSO. You'll have to have huge defences set up, and you'll have to push hard to clear a path through the wall of alien bases to get to resources, and then work hard to defend those resources.

[Sean Mirrsen]

I think the best improvement to alien invasions in the game would be flying enemies at high evolution factors, that can fly over walls and bodies of water, forcing you to change up your defense layouts and reinforce your automated maintenance.

edit: I'm suddenly envisioning the endgame evolving (heh) into automated tower defence a-la Creeper World 3, with you basically keeping up a constant barrage of firepower to push back the tide of enemies funneling in from the entire rest of the planet. The game could really use some more advanced turrets, like cannon and rocket turrets. Flamethrower turrets. Make the player work hard for survival against different enemies.

[Glloyd]

I think the best improvement to alien invasions in the game would be flying enemies at high evolution factors, that can fly over walls and bodies of water, forcing you to change up your defense layouts and reinforce your automated maintenance.

edit: I'm suddenly envisioning the endgame evolving (heh) into automated tower defence a-la Creeper World 3, with you basically keeping up a constant barrage of firepower to push back the tide of enemies funneling in from the entire rest of the planet. The game could really use some more advanced turrets, like cannon and rocket turrets. Flamethrower turrets. Make the player work hard for survival against different enemies.

What I want is a way to automate offense. It's the only thing in the game you can't automate right now. It'd be awesome to have streams of combat robots flowing forth to fight the neverending tide of aliens.

[Parsely]

edit: I'm suddenly envisioning the endgame evolving (heh) into automated tower defence a-la Creeper World 3, with you basically keeping up a constant barrage of firepower to push back the tide of enemies funneling in from the entire rest of the planet. The game could really use some more advanced turrets, like cannon and rocket turrets. Flamethrower turrets. Make the player work hard for survival against different enemies.

I'm a huge fan of Creeper World 3 and this is pretty much what I was hoping to get out of this game (i.e. CW3 with a more interesting economy). CW3 is a very special kind of intellectual high once you get to the point where you're solving levels left and right. AI War has been exactly what I wanted for the most part but the economy is still too simple.

[Sean Mirrsen]

What I want is a way to automate offense. It's the only thing in the game you can't automate right now. It'd be awesome to have streams of combat robots flowing forth to fight the neverending tide of aliens.

I thought about it for a bit, and I think it would make sense to have automated offense as late-late game content. As in "after you've started launching rockets". Because you can't just tell a robot "go over there" - you need navigation over long range. This means that you're going to be launching navigation satellites up, allowing you to remotely set orders for robots on the map, that they will then navigate to.

[Puzzlemaker]

Yeah, attack bots would be awesome. 

[LoSboccacc]

https://forums.factorio.com/viewtopic.php?f=97&t=23543&sid=b0cdd56fcd30238d408535afdbc0826d

they cannot be ordered around tho, but they have a wandering ai so it may be added if you ask the owner

[miauw62]

I think the best improvement to alien invasions in the game would be flying enemies at high evolution factors, that can fly over walls and bodies of water, forcing you to change up your defense layouts and reinforce your automated maintenance.

edit: I'm suddenly envisioning the endgame evolving (heh) into automated tower defence a-la Creeper World 3, with you basically keeping up a constant barrage of firepower to push back the tide of enemies funneling in from the entire rest of the planet. The game could really use some more advanced turrets, like cannon and rocket turrets. Flamethrower turrets. Make the player work hard for survival against different enemies.

Having to make 5 different turrets i have to put everywhere at my walls instead of 1 doesnt sound very exciting, tbh. if the mix of enemies is the same everywhere, there isnt any depth to having multiple types of turrets.

[Neyvn]

This by my Factory so far...
Its zoomed out, but it should be possible to tell what I am doing so far...

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EDIT:: MANY HOURS LATER

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[Sean Mirrsen]

I think the best improvement to alien invasions in the game would be flying enemies at high evolution factors, that can fly over walls and bodies of water, forcing you to change up your defense layouts and reinforce your automated maintenance.

edit: I'm suddenly envisioning the endgame evolving (heh) into automated tower defence a-la Creeper World 3, with you basically keeping up a constant barrage of firepower to push back the tide of enemies funneling in from the entire rest of the planet. The game could really use some more advanced turrets, like cannon and rocket turrets. Flamethrower turrets. Make the player work hard for survival against different enemies.

Having to make 5 different turrets i have to put everywhere at my walls instead of 1 doesnt sound very exciting, tbh. if the mix of enemies is the same everywhere, there isnt any depth to having multiple types of turrets.

See basically any tower defense game.