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[kaian-a-coel]

I'll add my stone to the trog debate by saying that depriving them of their free will is
1) evil
2) slashing our income compared to the scenario where we DONT deprive them of their free will and have them willignly worship us.

[Gamerlord]

My two cents: modify the stems so that they can amalgamate themselves into larger beings.

[Origami_Psycho]

on a completely different subject.

We need heavy shock troops, correct? for most other uses we have the stems/saps (main troops), dragons (Heavy Air), drakes (Ground support), firejackets (Light air) and spiders (light round support).

Now, think of a tank. A Main Battle Tank.

Now, use life magic to create a bio-machine that looks and operates like a real life tank that can be manned by stems.

They could either fire shaped explosive charges (our alchemist is already making the explosives) or fire flames or spores from its cannon.

It's heavy armour (heavier if we clad it in steel over the hull) would be good against the hoards of he EoT and Maher.

But it'll be a magnet for magic attacks, since individuals can be given much greater power than possible in our reality, it would go poof fairly quickly.  It would also not make much sense because we are not in trench warfare, which reduces the need for an armoured vehicle that can withstand infantry level fire; nor are we facing other tanks, which nullifies the other purpose for having a tank, and completely nullifies any reason for having shaped charges.

[kahn1234]

on a completely different subject.

We need heavy shock troops, correct? for most other uses we have the stems/saps (main troops), dragons (Heavy Air), drakes (Ground support), firejackets (Light air) and spiders (light round support).

Now, think of a tank. A Main Battle Tank.

Now, use life magic to create a bio-machine that looks and operates like a real life tank that can be manned by stems.

They could either fire shaped explosive charges (our alchemist is already making the explosives) or fire flames or spores from its cannon.

It's heavy armour (heavier if we clad it in steel over the hull) would be good against the hoards of he EoT and Maher.

But it'll be a magnet for magic attacks, since individuals can be given much greater power than possible in our reality, it would go poof fairly quickly.  It would also not make much sense because we are not in trench warfare, which reduces the need for an armoured vehicle that can withstand infantry level fire; nor are we facing other tanks, which nullifies the other purpose for having a tank, and completely nullifies any reason for having shaped charges.

true, but i bet swarms of fast armoured vehicles using shaped charges and manned by expendable stems would give various larger beings (like Mahers Bone Colossus) a headache.

and they'd be able to mow through infantry and act as shields for our infantry when fighting enemy armies.

they could also act as mobile siege guns to help us siege places that are held by our enemies.

or used as AAA platforms that can take down enemy air power.

plus there would be nothing stopping us from bestowing the same magical protection on them as Tiberius enjoys.

[Origami_Psycho]

on a completely different subject.

We need heavy shock troops, correct? for most other uses we have the stems/saps (main troops), dragons (Heavy Air), drakes (Ground support), firejackets (Light air) and spiders (light round support).

Now, think of a tank. A Main Battle Tank.

Now, use life magic to create a bio-machine that looks and operates like a real life tank that can be manned by stems.

They could either fire shaped explosive charges (our alchemist is already making the explosives) or fire flames or spores from its cannon.

It's heavy armour (heavier if we clad it in steel over the hull) would be good against the hoards of he EoT and Maher.

But it'll be a magnet for magic attacks, since individuals can be given much greater power than possible in our reality, it would go poof fairly quickly.  It would also not make much sense because we are not in trench warfare, which reduces the need for an armoured vehicle that can withstand infantry level fire; nor are we facing other tanks, which nullifies the other purpose for having a tank, and completely nullifies any reason for having shaped charges.

true, but i bet swarms of fast armoured vehicles using shaped charges and manned by expendable stems would give various larger beings (like Mahers Bone Colossus) a headache.

and they'd be able to mow through infantry and act as shields for our infantry when fighting enemy armies.

they could also act as mobile siege guns to help us siege places that are held by our enemies.

or used as AAA platforms that can take down enemy air power.

plus there would be nothing stopping us from bestowing the same magical protection on them as Tiberius enjoys.

Fair enough, but it we intend to use them to fight infantry we should develop an anti-personal round first.

As for the bone colossus, it's the size of a mountain, and even if we're talking about mountains the size of the Appalachians, that's a hell of a lot bigger than one or two or a thousand tanks are gonna have much luck against.

[gman8181]

My two cents: modify the stems so that they can amalgamate themselves into larger beings.

That sounds good

About the trogs, how about instead of making them like serving us just make them enjoy working hard.  Sort of like how dwarves are industrious, these could be similar.  It doesn't force them to work for us or to perform specific tasks but it does make them try their best at everything they do which would make them good citizens.

[Origami_Psycho]

About the trogs, how about instead of making them like serving us just make them enjoy working hard.  Sort of like how dwarves are industrious, these could be similar.  It doesn't force them to work for us or to perform specific tasks but it does make them try their best at everything they do which would make them good citizens.

I can dig it

[GreatWyrmGold]

on a completely different subject.
We need heavy shock troops, correct? for most other uses we have the stems/saps (main troops), dragons (Heavy Air), drakes (Ground support), firejackets (Light air) and spiders (light round support).
Now, think of a tank. A Main Battle Tank.
Now, use life magic to create a bio-machine that looks and operates like a real life tank that can be manned by stems.
They could either fire shaped explosive charges (our alchemist is already making the explosives) or fire flames or spores from its cannon.
It's heavy armour (heavier if we clad it in steel over the hull) would be good against the hoards of he EoT and Maher.

Even if we accept your premise ("We need tanks"), why would we make bio-machines?
We could make them fully biological, which removes the need for Stems to man it and also fits with our current feats better (not to mention isn't so anachronistic).
We could make them fully mechanical, reducing complexity and maintenance as well as protecting them from death magic.
Making them a weird hybrid gives them the weaknesses of both and few advantages of either.

About the trogs, how about instead of making them like serving us just make them enjoy working hard.  Sort of like how dwarves are industrious, these could be similar.  It doesn't force them to work for us or to perform specific tasks but it does make them try their best at everything they do which would make them good citizens.

I can dig it

I like the idea of making them motivated, or high achievers. Rather than restricting their abilities, it encourages them to reach higher and higher, helping them improve their position. I approve.

[Remuthra]

I thought Reborn were our tanks. Why do we need something else?

[Karnewarrior]

About the trogs, how about instead of making them like serving us just make them enjoy working hard.  Sort of like how dwarves are industrious, these could be similar.  It doesn't force them to work for us or to perform specific tasks but it does make them try their best at everything they do which would make them good citizens.

I can dig it

I like the idea of making them motivated, or high achievers. Rather than restricting their abilities, it encourages them to reach higher and higher, helping them improve their position. I approve.

As long as we allow them to also enjoy lazing about for at least a day or so. They could still resent us if we force them to work every day or risk utter boredom.

[GreatWyrmGold]

About the trogs, how about instead of making them like serving us just make them enjoy working hard.  Sort of like how dwarves are industrious, these could be similar.  It doesn't force them to work for us or to perform specific tasks but it does make them try their best at everything they do which would make them good citizens.

I can dig it

I like the idea of making them motivated, or high achievers. Rather than restricting their abilities, it encourages them to reach higher and higher, helping them improve their position. I approve.

As long as we allow them to also enjoy lazing about for at least a day or so. They could still resent us if we force them to work every day or risk utter boredom.

Oh, of course. We shouldn't remove their ability to enjoy leisure. I imagine a simple drive for self-improvement would lead to as many master card players as master masons, or whatever.

[gman8181]

Please don't let that be a foreshadowing of a future race we create that doesn't enjoy doing anything other than playing cards.

[Remuthra]

Please don't let that be a foreshadowing of a future race we create that doesn't enjoy doing anything other than playing cards.

A race of poker prodigies...

[Gamerlord]

I wonder if we could gamble for souls with the EoT. And ah, bend the rules a little with some chaos...

[gman8181]

I don't think the order gods are likely to participate in any gambling.  If anything they'll just want to kill us more.