Print

Please login or register.
1 Hour 1 Day 1 Week 1 Month Forever
Login with username, password and session length

me

8 (16%)

me

2 (4%)

me

5 (10%)

help i'm trapped in a poll i don't know why i'm here i'm so scared someone please help

29 (58%)

me

6 (12%)

Total Members Voted: 50

[reality.auditor]

Oh god I just realised this is all a homage to OFF

You realized it just now? Why do you think I proposed this particular music?

[RanDomino]

ignore this post

-1

[TopHat]

Might as well have another go at theorycrafting.

Spoiler: why does Oric want the Target dead? (click to show/hide)

Oric is after something. What do we know of that he could want?
A power sought out by evil rulers and corrupt dictators for millenea. One time-wrought eye gives life, another takes it. Total control. Total domination. Total and complete power.
OVERSOUL.
The reasons he could want this are manifold and, for the most part, obvious. Power.
So, why can't he just use this power himself? Well, we know what causes OVERSOUL:
Your Soul Guage is pushed to its current maximum capacity. Oversoul Mode activated.
A soul reaching it's maximum capacity for charge.
We know that some soul stars charge faster than others:

And we also know that soul stars (can) have different soul charge limits:
Ciro's Soul Guage max capacity is now doubled.
It naturally follows that Oric's soul star either charges very slowly, has a stupidly large capacity, or both, making it extremely hard for him to access Oversoul himself. This is (kind of) supported by the fact that the influx's max capacity was increased as an upgrade. it follows that power=capacity; we know Oric has a very powerful soul star. (yes, I know this one's a bit shaky)
An alternate view could be that Oric's soul star has an exceptionally low capacity, either reducing the amount of power and control he gets with oversoul (and the length of time it lasts), or maybe even being too small to set off oversoul mode at all - hence requiring him to use his cohorts as batteries. (see Oric's Hammer, linked above).
So where does the Target fit in? Well, we know the Astral Influx charges pretty fast; we experienced an oversoul pretty early on in the cycle. My belief is that Oric wants to take advantage of this (potential) power, and this is apparently best achieved by having his siblings divert their efforts towards killing them. (A previous theorycraft of mine touches upon this)

Any thoughts?

[Solymr]

How does Oric exactly use Ciro's Oversoul for his purposes? :V
I think it's actually the other way around. Oric fears that Ciro's Oversoul ability might be able to overthrow him, so he forces Ciro to battle the Siblings in spirit duels that cost quite the soul charge.
If Ciro wins, his charge still gets diminished, and if Ciro loses the cycle starts over.

[TopHat]

How does Oric exactly use Ciro's Oversoul for his purposes? :V
I think it's actually the other way around. Oric fears that Ciro's Oversoul ability might be able to overthrow him, so he forces Ciro to battle the Siblings in spirit duels that cost quite the soul charge.
If Ciro wins, his charge still gets diminished, and if Ciro loses the cycle starts over.

What makes you think Oversoul is Ciro's? The only evidence for that is that she has been the only one to use it yet. In theory, anyone with a soul star could use it, only no-one else has reached maximum capacity as of yet (from what we've seen).
And if Oric fears that Ciro could truly overthrow him, why the cycles? Why risk being overthrown many times? And wouldn't he just kill the Target before they have a chance to gain any soul charge at all?

[Solymr]

It's not that Ciro's the only one, but that it's the fastest to get there.
As for the cycles no idea :V
They make me think Oric is waiting for something.

[javierpwn]

Might as well have another go at theorycrafting.

Spoiler: why does Oric want the Target dead? (click to show/hide)

Oric is after something. What do we know of that he could want?
A power sought out by evil rulers and corrupt dictators for millenea. One time-wrought eye gives life, another takes it. Total control. Total domination. Total and complete power.
OVERSOUL.
The reasons he could want this are manifold and, for the most part, obvious. Power.
So, why can't he just use this power himself? Well, we know what causes OVERSOUL:
Your Soul Guage is pushed to its current maximum capacity. Oversoul Mode activated.
A soul reaching it's maximum capacity for charge.
We know that some soul stars charge faster than others:

And we also know that soul stars (can) have different soul charge limits:
Ciro's Soul Guage max capacity is now doubled.
It naturally follows that Oric's soul star either charges very slowly, has a stupidly large capacity, or both, making it extremely hard for him to access Oversoul himself. This is (kind of) supported by the fact that the influx's max capacity was increased as an upgrade. it follows that power=capacity; we know Oric has a very powerful soul star. (yes, I know this one's a bit shaky)
An alternate view could be that Oric's soul star has an exceptionally low capacity, either reducing the amount of power and control he gets with oversoul (and the length of time it lasts), or maybe even being too small to set off oversoul mode at all - hence requiring him to use his cohorts as batteries. (see Oric's Hammer, linked above).
So where does the Target fit in? Well, we know the Astral Influx charges pretty fast; we experienced an oversoul pretty early on in the cycle. My belief is that Oric wants to take advantage of this (potential) power, and this is apparently best achieved by having his siblings divert their efforts towards killing them. (A previous theorycraft of mine touches upon this)

Any thoughts?

Just adding a bit of afterthought; because FFS increased our Astral Influx's capacity, we could potentially be OVERSOUL'd longer, but we would have to get twice the Charge in order to OVERSOUL.
By your theory, of Oric having an insane Charge Limit(don't forget he was given a Legendary Soul Star function by the Seraphim!); in order for him to access getting OVERSOUL. It's possible, that due to having a Legendary Function for his star, he might not have a Charge limit at all, and thus cannot access the latent powers that arrive with being overfilled with Charge; and in having no such Charge limit, he would have to Glutton himself off of the CHarge that comes with the ends of a cycle, in hopes of achieving that power.

It is also entirely possible, that one of the other Legendary Functions of the Stars were given to Target, but can only be accessed regularly when the Soul Star levels up enough times. This could be evidenced by the Quote that came up when we OVERSOUL'd which made it sound like something which would have been unreachable, or unachieveable

It's not that Ciro's the only one, but that it's the fastest to get there.
As for the cycles no idea :V
They make me think Oric is waiting for something.

He's waiting for us to die.

[Solymr]

So that's why I thought that. Also what was Yaos searching for?

[Worldmaster27]

The first thought was Oversoul, but I think it could be Oric's/Cane's/Ciro's Soul Star.

[javierpwn]

So that's why I thought that. Also what was Yaos searching for?

A legendary weapon so he can seek revenge upon his former capturers. Something to even slay immortal beings.



It's funny, because Cain's Star might be such a weapon, Oric's star is definitely such a weapon, and Target's Star slayed Horolage, destroying him with Doubled Double damage; and Horolage was said to be immortal

[Solymr]

Wait where have we heard "aberration" before? Or something that means a similar thing like inconsistency?

What if Oric doesn't want the cycles to continue and wants to break it to break out of the prison that he built?

[Worldmaster27]

Wait where have we heard "aberration" before? Or something that means a similar thing like inconsistency?

What if Oric doesn't want the cycles to continue and wants to break it to break out of the prison that he built?

There was a side quest to kill the "Aberrant Thief" that we didn't take.

[javierpwn]

Wait where have we heard "aberration" before? Or something that means a similar thing like inconsistency?

What if Oric doesn't want the cycles to continue and wants to break it to break out of the prison that he built?

There was a side quest to kill the "Aberrant Thief" that we didn't take.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

As you listen closely, you can hear some additional noise.

MMMMMMMMMMMMMM
MMMMMMMMMMMMMM
MMMMMMMMMMMMMM
MMMMMMMMMMMMMM
MMMMMMMMMMMMMM
MMMMMMMMMMMMMM
MMMMMMMMMMMMMM

PASVVRZ
SPRLJPY
VOHZYLC
PCLKIBA
AOLYLZL
LTZAVIL
HTPZAHR

LOPZHZA
YHSPUMS
BEPZHJA
PCLTLHU
PUNOPZJ
BYYLUAT
LTVYPLZ

HYLILPU
NJVUMBZ
LKDPAOO
PZWHZAT
LTVYPLZ
MYVTAOL
SHZAMLD

AOVBZHU
KJFJSLZ
PKVUAIL
SPLCLAO
PZOHZOH
WWLULKI
LMVYLPA

JVBSKIL
PUKPJHA
PCLVMHN
YLHALYP
UJVUZPZ
ALUJFAO
HUDLOHC

ENCRYP:
0000000
+++++++
7777777
=======
7777777
.......

And here's the translated version of that nonsense!

Spoiler:  For the lazy (click to show/hide)

It looks like ciro has revived but there seems to be a mistake. His astral influx is active meaning his current memories are being confused with his past memories from the last few thousand cycles. I don't believe this has happened before. It could be indicative of a greater in consistency than we hav

[Solymr]

That was the "Abberant" iirc and I don't know if it's a typo or a word I don't know :V

This appears to be a unique cycle, was Oric trying to avoid this or waiting for it?

[flame99]

Or perhaps we're the abberation? After all, it was by our will that many of the evidently atypical things occurred. Also, none of the characters we've seen have made large leaps towards pushing the narrative further; this only seems to occur with characters we're commandeering. Maybe this is why Oric wants to take us-the abberation-for himself: He wants to be able to control the narrative, and push it in the direction that he desires. Also, possibly giving further proof to my theory that the Astral Influx's secondary ability is allowing us to influence Ciro, our knowledge roll for when we first found the Influx told us:

You call upon your knowledge of the item [Astral Influx]. (Roll: 8!) Something something about narrative control. Maybe.

For further proof, us as players have never experienced an earlier cycle, showing that we're something atypical and alien in the Warrens; additionally, no other character seems to be guided by a multitude of voices from the internet.