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Author Topic: Rant on "Trolling" and the misuse that pervades forums.  (Read 17653 times)

fqllve

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Re: Rant on "Trolling" and the misuse that pervades forums.
« Reply #45 on: December 29, 2012, 06:23:33 am »

Your assuming your definitions is still valid, if for what ever reason the dentition of trolling turned to fishing for cats, then that means the act of trolling is fishing for cats. there is no reason to say "trolling end goal is X" because the definition changes
Ok. You are arguing from two different positions here. You're basically saying "definitions change" but you're also saying "once those definitions change you cannot continue to use the old definition." Either we can use whatever definitions we want or we can all follow the accepted one, but it can't be both and you're contradicting yourself.

I happen to agree with the former, but just because definitions are mutable doesn't mean people don't have the right to object to those changes.

edit: Seriously. Rereading your post it is the strangest mix of prescriptivism and descriptivism I have ever seen..
« Last Edit: December 29, 2012, 06:29:02 am by fqllve »
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« Reply #46 on: December 29, 2012, 07:40:01 am »

Loud Whispers, I'd like to know where the your exact definition of troll comes from.

I couldn't find any relevant definition on Merriam-Webster, Oxford Dictionary says it's "deliberately provocative online posting intended to incite an angry response". Wikipedia says something similar. I don't see the need for it to be done "cleverly, with good humour and well thought out actions".
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Re: Rant on "Trolling" and the misuse that pervades forums.
« Reply #47 on: December 29, 2012, 07:44:03 am »

Loud Whispers, I'd like to know where the your exact definition of troll comes from.
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Re: Rant on "Trolling" and the misuse that pervades forums.
« Reply #48 on: December 29, 2012, 02:34:34 pm »

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A troll is someone who intentionally trolls
You just used the word in the definition. O_O

Lies and slander.

Regardless, I continue to be unable to understand about 50+% of each of LWs posts, so I can't say much more than that.
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Re: Rant on "Trolling" and the misuse that pervades forums.
« Reply #49 on: December 29, 2012, 02:46:45 pm »

he mad
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Re: Rant on "Trolling" and the misuse that pervades forums.
« Reply #50 on: December 29, 2012, 04:20:37 pm »

Is Edward Khil a troll with his trololololo song?
Whatever he is, he is missed ;-;

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Re: Rant on "Trolling" and the misuse that pervades forums.
« Reply #51 on: December 29, 2012, 05:29:06 pm »

it changes words from what they mean to what they don't mean
I don't speak for dictionaries of other English variants but this is entirely the opposite of a dictionary.

This is the best idea in all the history of mankind ! Making a dictionnary of what a word isn't ! Who begins ?
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« Reply #52 on: December 29, 2012, 05:44:46 pm »

it changes words from what they mean to what they don't mean
I don't speak for dictionaries of other English variants but this is entirely the opposite of a dictionary.
This is the best idea in all the history of mankind ! Making a dictionnary of what a word isn't ! Who begins ?

troll - n - troll

This topic makes me want to do things.

An article about a "professional troll"
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Government is no more than a color of anarchy, arbitrary rules on who gets power and who gets punished and why. Nothing really works so why keep pretending?

So is the Phelps family bad trolls?
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Re: Rant on "Trolling" and the misuse that pervades forums.
« Reply #53 on: December 29, 2012, 06:05:49 pm »


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Ok. You are arguing from two different positions here. You're basically saying "definitions change" but you're also saying "once those definitions change you cannot continue to use the old definition." Either we can use whatever definitions we want or we can all follow the accepted one, but it can't be both and you're contradicting yourself.
You misread, my point was I was going form his prospective where there is ONE DEFINITION and you MUST use that one, in that case he has to assume his definition is still "the definition"  when there is no reason to.
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« Reply #54 on: December 29, 2012, 06:09:01 pm »

... and lo, it came to pass that yet another thread on bay12 transforms into an argument on semantics, when the meaning of the terms used should be clear for all to see due to the context of discussion, and no argument over them need take place.

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« Reply #55 on: December 29, 2012, 06:10:09 pm »

THIS THREAD IS ABOUT SEMANTICS
Rant About The Words Please
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« Reply #56 on: December 29, 2012, 06:13:14 pm »

Thats what I was going to say, he rants on one side, I rant on the other, its quite fun.
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« Reply #57 on: December 29, 2012, 06:14:00 pm »

THIS THREAD IS ABOUT SEMANTICS
Rant About The Words Please
Noooo .... please stop ... caps starting .... words ....
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« Reply #58 on: December 29, 2012, 06:16:46 pm »

I nearby request we change it form troll to baiter, since trolling came form fishing, and most Torllls "bait" anyways why not make what they are what they do? bait

Are opposed  nay

all for hell yes
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Re: Rant on "Trolling" and the misuse that pervades forums.
« Reply #59 on: December 29, 2012, 06:17:50 pm »

Nay. Your argument is self defeating. Also, why should we use a different word from the one used in common parlance?
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