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[Tiruin]

So this doesn't surprise me at all. The movies aren't being made for adults. They're being made for 14 year old males who will fap about dualwielding elven bow babes into their late 20s, and young females who have just seen The Hunger Games and think bows are the cooliest gender-appropriate weapon ever.

I mean, it's really the same shit as the Star Wars prequels. If Lightsaber = Cool, then Lightsaber x2 = Cool x3! It's the same kind of junk marketing that defines most AAA blockbusters.

...Either I don't get your wording right about how the aspect of the movie presentation on the youth is shown or..I just don't get the right thing (though I do get the holistic gist there).
People aren't that ignorant! (And bows take quite some strength to pull...I have no idea where this gender-appropriations originated however).

But yes, I agree. :/

Blech. The best part of the first movie was the degree to which they played up how badass the Dwarves thought they were, and contrasted it with how badass they weren't. It didn't hit me till Thorin got slammed down by Azog, but all their fight scenes were complete failures, desperate escapes, or victory by luck or somebody more skilled than they. Abandoning that is abandoning the core part of the book's tone that they got right - that Big Damn Heroes aren't always the important characters, and that it's okay not to be one.

-snip-

I have to agree. The fight scenes were nice, well orchestrated, but how its played out? Victory--Defeat.
I believe its more on the focus of the camera?

Still, the point on how character battle portrayal goes looks even to me...except for how they rationalize use of personal weaponry. When at range, shoot at range; when near melee, act as you best see it. That's how warriors are trained (especially given Tolkien's works).

[Sheb]

Actually, the fight scenes just bore me. I don't like action scenes. Most of the time, you know how they'll end, and even if you don't, you could do the fight in a few minutes (I'll put an exception for a movie like Matrix).

[Ultimuh]

Personally, watching the movie (and the first part, last year) made me think of Dwarf Fortress.
So many things the movies and DF has in common.

[Helgoland]

It's just a matter of time until someone replicates that dwarf statue.

[WillowLuman]

But should they use obsidian casting, or gold blocks? Bonus points for smothering a dragon with it.

[nenjin]

People aren't that ignorant! (And bows take quite some strength to pull...I have no idea where this gender-appropriations originated however).

People are that ignorant at times. As for the bow....really I feel like since HG1 the bow has come back into fashion. And when you put a woman behind it, it becomes a symbol for female empowerment. Or some shit. Which puts butts in seats. I guess there are worse role models for girls to have than a hard-hitting bow user.....but I feel like, much like LotR's obsession with dual wielding, it's all about the object in the end.

[Ultimuh]

I bet this would be somewhat relevant to this thread..

[LeoLeonardoIII]

Re: women and bows

Everyone knows feminine weapons are encircling weapons, like lassos, whips, nets ... man-catchers.

EDIT: Also bolas.

[anzki4]

Just saw the second part of the trilogy and these are my thoughts so far.

Firstly, it's been a really long time since I read LotR and even a longer time since I read The Hobbit, so my memory of them might be a bit foggy. I've also never read Silmarillion or The Book of Unfinished tales. I feel that The Hobbit (book) was what I want to call "silly" fantasy adventure what with it's trolls turning into stone at sunlight etc. LotR was at the beginning also a "silly" fantasy adventure, but it had this shadow looming in the background from the beginning and as the book progressed, it grew bigger and bigger until finally the book became "serious" fantasy adventure. Let me state here, that I enjoy "silly" fantasy adventure way more, and my favorite part of LotR was the beginning, as in everything happening before the hobbits reach Bree.

LotR movies pretty much ditched the entire "silliness" from the beginning except in the battle scenes, and to me it felt that the whole movie trilogy was trying to be the most epic and serious thing ever with the fight scenes stuck in between as kind of relief to help the audience bear it. The Hobbit however I find strikes pretty good balance with serious vs. silly and some of the additions I really like. I agree there was way too much fighting, the whole orcs are chasing us-plotline is stupid, as is the romance subplot. While the necromancer didn't appear in the original book I felt it was a good addition. One scene I really liked in the first Hobbit movie, was the meeting with Gandalf, Galadriel and Saruman. In general I feel that the Hobbit movies portrayed "the good" side way better. LotR movies were about a fight between good and evil, and whereas evil might fight among each other, the good will always stand united. The Hobbit movies show how a big chunk of decisions made by "good" characters are dictated by pride, greed or sheer stupidity. The Lake-town for example showed that living in the lands of "good" isn't happy or peaceful. They are suffering when the nobility are living a glamorous life. I also especially liked the elven king who would just choose to protect his own lands and let's the rest of the world fall in ruin.

TL; DR: It's way too incoherent to be summarized. I don't know what I wanted to say myself.

[bombcar]

To be fair, Thorin surfed molten gold on a wheelbarrow.

[LeoLeonardoIII]

To be fair, Thorin surfed molten gold on a wheelbarrow.

I might be remembering it wrong and claiming it was a shield. And a wheelbarrow makes more sense given where they were. Does anyone else remember? That would fix the buoyancy complaint because the wheelbarrow is rolling along the bottom of the channel.

[andrea]

I remember wheelbarrow as well. which is also more buoyant as well, should it not touch the floor. and considering that liquid gold is denser than water, I would give it a good chance of floating.

however, for thorin it should only mean that he is in a pot instead of a frying pan.

[LeoLeonardoIII]

Well sure but I can ignore his skin getting scalded and molten gold splattering up at him. I only called out the absolutely worst offenses to common sense.

Heck, Bombur spinning in his barrel and killing a bunch of orcs was pretty funky.

[WillowLuman]

Then again, Dwarves can probably take more heat than most.

But Bombur's spinny attack was stupid, plain and simple.

[SalmonGod]

Then again, Dwarves can probably take more heat than most.

But Bombur's spinny attack was stupid, plain and simple.

... Bombur engaging in combat at all is pretty stupid...