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[Zanzetkuken The Great]

If Zanzetkuken makes his organism, fashion a prokaryote to produce a chemical toxic to it. Poison works by undermining integrity of tissue wall between stomach and heart. Then eat it when it dies.

Counter by having the macrophages, those able to consume the poisonous prokayotes, attracted to  useless-to-the-organism chemical byproducts in the 'spent' water.

[GreatWyrmGold]

1)It has nothing to draw from for any of its defining traits.
2)We're gods, but we don't create stuff from nowhere.

1)All inventions began as ideas that were acted upon.
2)I am intervening in the evolution of a species that already exists, I hardly call that 'nowhere.'

1. Where did the gas chambers come from?
2. The features are.

If Zanzetkuken makes his organism, fashion a prokaryote to produce a chemical toxic to it. Poison works by undermining integrity of tissue wall between stomach and heart. Then eat it when it dies.

Counter by having the macrophages, those able to consume the poisonous prokayotes, attracted to  useless-to-the-organism chemical byproducts in the 'spent' water.

Oh, for the love of--wait until the threat evolves before evolving new countermeasures.

[misko27]

If Zanzetkuken makes his organism, fashion a prokaryote to produce a chemical toxic to it. Poison works by undermining integrity of tissue wall between stomach and heart. Then eat it when it dies.

Counter by having the macrophages, those able to consume the poisonous prokayotes, attracted to  useless-to-the-organism chemical byproducts in the 'spent' water.

Yeah. If they even deserve to live (the macrophages, I mean) They should be able to adapt to this situation fairly quickly.

[kaian-a-coel]

Actually, aside from the (useless at this size) circulatory system and the overly-complicated symbiotic stomach, this organism is primitive enough to give it a go.
Say it evolve from the sponges, has no heart or whatever because it's small enough to not need it, and the "stomach" work with its own cells.

[misko27]

Yay! It shall be the cows for my wolves...

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

Actually, aside from the (useless at this size) circulatory system and the overly-complicated symbiotic stomach, this organism is primitive enough to give it a go.

I put those in due to having the organism evolve into something larger next turn.  I am also attempting to create a symbiotic relationship between species that is so common in life, but not on the planet we are working on.

If Zanzetkuken makes his organism, fashion a prokaryote to produce a chemical toxic to it. Poison works by undermining integrity of tissue wall between stomach and heart. Then eat it when it dies.

Counter by having the macrophages, those able to consume the poisonous prokayotes, attracted to  useless-to-the-organism chemical byproducts in the 'spent' water.

Oh, for the love of--wait until the threat evolves before evolving new countermeasures.

Each "turn" is over a multitude of years, so it would form some relationship like that over the years.

[GreatWyrmGold]

Actually, aside from the (useless at this size) circulatory system and the overly-complicated symbiotic stomach, this organism is primitive enough to give it a go.

I put those in due to having the organism evolve into something larger next turn.  I am also attempting to create a symbiotic relationship between species that is so common in life, but not on the planet we are working on.

Stop planning ahead with evolution, it doesn't do that! You certainly shouldn't use your plan to justify something you possibly shouldn't be doing in the first place.

If Zanzetkuken makes his organism, fashion a prokaryote to produce a chemical toxic to it. Poison works by undermining integrity of tissue wall between stomach and heart. Then eat it when it dies.

Counter by having the macrophages, those able to consume the poisonous prokayotes, attracted to  useless-to-the-organism chemical byproducts in the 'spent' water.

Oh, for the love of--wait until the threat evolves before evolving new countermeasures.

Each "turn" is over a multitude of years, so it would form some relationship like that over the years.

Each turn does take a while, but it'd take about as long to evolve the countermeasures as to evolve the creature.
Also, it's common courtesy.

Try to evolve a step at a time.

[Sporemaniac777]

Planet: Genesis
Mass: 0.95 Earth masses
Diameter: 11858 km
SMA: 2.4 AU
Atmosphere: Nitrogen (87%), Carbon Dioxide (9%), Oxygen (3%), Other gases (Argon, water vapor etc.) (0.8%), Sulfur dioxide (0.2%), 1.0 ATM
Axis: 28°
Water covering: 60% of the surface, quite unstable climate
Geology: Active, Earth-like
Moons:
Tranquility:
                       Mass: 0.012 Earth masses
                       Diameter: 3446 km
                       SMA: 403 000 km
                       Orbital inclination: 28°
                       Atmosphere: None
                       Geology: Dead
Ignisterra:
                       Mass: 0.007 Earth masses
                       Diameter: 3177 km
                       SMA: 151 000 km
                       Orbital inclination: 87°
                       Atmosphere: None
                       Geology: Volatile, Io-like

1. Fiddle with organisms to give them greater oxygen resistance.
2. A few of the poripinnans will develop specialized tissues.

Many organisms develop tolerance of oxygen, otherwise they would die. Although population-wise this would have been quite a change. Most of the anaerobic organisms have been wiped out at first, but they found enclaves where they could survive. Anyway, besides the obvious changes which happened on Earth aswell, the sponges (I presume that's what you meant with that word, cause not even Google could tell me what it means  ) develop some specialized tissues, at first for filtering out nutrients and gill-like structures for getting the CO₂ into their bodies (for those who didn't know, the sponges from the deep use CO₂ instead of oxygen on this planet).

The prehistoric oceans were very acidic. The acidity will go down as Carbon levels drop.

However, in order to get a decent athmosphere, and have our creatures do anything usefull at all, we need Co2 to be at least 20%. Most of that is currently hiding in the sea or rocks, So I shall scare it into the air.

> More Volcanism

The Earth tremored, and deep in the oceans black smokers spewed acidic, black smoke. The oxygen molecules hadn't reached this deep into the ocean yet, at least not in large quantities. However, it wouldn't be long. As the Carbon levels began to stagnate and drop, and volcanic ash clouded the sun,  the temperature began to fall. Ice crept over the land and sea, sealing of the organisms in giant underground lakes. Caves collapsed, locking up even more, shielding them from change.

As more and more water become locked up in the ice, sea levels might start to drop. On top of that, the increased albedo might lower temperatures even further.

You cause quite a climate change! Although a very brief one. Once the ash sets, it quickly gets back to normal, because of the high amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. Although brief, the climate change provides some permanent protection for your deep sea creatures from the filthy poison that is oxygen.

Dormant multi-cellular DNA?

I meant the ability to specialize the way true mulch-cellular organisms can.  It would be more proto-DNA (double helix of RNA, which should exist at this time)

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>Manipulate an organism to float, through the usage of gas-filled cavities that deflate and inflate, on water currents (for now).  The gas cavities work on the same principle as a submarine, pulling the gas into the upper chambers and filling the bladders with water to sink and expelling the water by pumping the gas into the chambers.
>Manipulate some macrophages to breakdown the cells within the water, but not the cells of the organism that holds them, into digestible materials.  Have them able to attach to the inside of the stomach.

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1) Stomach that takes in water from the bottom (closes).
2) Gas cavities
3) Flap that opens to allow water into and out of the cavities.  Cells around expel used water to outside.
4) Primitive heart.
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This time, I have to agree with the others. This is WAY too complex compared to the most complex things we have now: sponges with a few specialized tissues. The floating on gas is alright, the mobile sponge-like creatures descended from the deep sea organisms could develop bubbles of gas to float on water currents. Although the stomach is way beyond what is possible right now. The most advanced creatures have only separated chambers for filtering food and CO₂ right now! You'll have to use a simpler version of the organism.

Oh boy this looks cool. And Sciency.
 
Illemine, Goddess of Parasitism and Strength. Unless those are taken.
 


So what are we arguing about?

Welcome aboard! No problem if the spheres overlap, if they aren't too similar to gods that are already here.

Actually, aside from the (useless at this size) circulatory system and the overly-complicated symbiotic stomach, this organism is primitive enough to give it a go.
Say it evolve from the sponges, has no heart or whatever because it's small enough to not need it, and the "stomach" work with its own cells.

This could work. The "stomach" digestion area seems alright, the circulatory system is useless and too complicated for now anyway and the reproduction is entirely plausible. Many organisms today first... hatch? Is that the correct word for this case?... to be an immobile larva and when they grow up they are mobile. Jellyfish! So, Zanzetkuken, what are you gonna call it? Not as easy to sun up with only a few words as the organisms till now were.

And the viruses, but those seem fairly self-explanaotory.
 
Now, Poisonous organisms tend to be quite common, and are the primary cause of several diseases. This is because it is not the micro-organism itself that is deadly, but the poison it produces in great quantities and it's otherwise hard-to-noticenesss and relatively benign nature. the creatures then feast on the decaying matter.
 
If Zanzetkuken makes his organism, fashion a prokaryote to produce a chemical toxic to it. Poison works by undermining integrity of tissue wall between stomach and heart. Then eat it when it dies.

Competition! Great! Both sides will benefit from this!... Well, in the long run they will. Are you sure that you want your disease to be prokaryotic? Not sure if that's even possible... I think yes, but I'm not sure.

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[misko27]

There are many diseases caused by Prokaryotes! Food poisoning, Malaria! Typhoid!
 
Hmm. Is there a posion sphere? I think it would fit with mah charecter. Strength, and what takes it away.

[pisskop]

With the aggration of cells Eukayotes into tighter clusters, cells in the center of the group find a use supplying suplementary proteins while those closer to the edge form a mucous that loosely binds them together and those few layers on the edge specialize more in feeding/uptake mechanisms.  The result is an immobile amorpheous drifting colony of semispecialized cells that finds strength in numbers and specialization.

edit:  One problem colonies have is that there are too many of them together.  They can comsume all their food (and starve) or even suffocate the cells in the center by denying them a healthy environment.

[GreatWyrmGold]

The poripinnans are my sponge-kinda-like organisms; I used the name a while back and mentioned it was my official name for them. Understandable that you forgot, though.

Diseases can be prokaryotic. See: Bacteria.

Anyways...

Some of the smaller poripinnans will grow smaller and begin to lodge themselves parasitically in the pores of larger filter-feeding creatures, such as Zanzetukhan's. They will filter out food which would have been pumped into the larger organism.

Meanwhile, some of the deep-sea poripinnans (I thought the poripinnans were monophyletic?) will develop a type of cell which takes note of the chemicals being pumped through the water, as well as cells which form a better intercell communication pathway. In short, a primitive nose and very primitive nerves. Call these new creatures rhinasusans.

Finally, because those primordial-soup prokaryotes haven't been getting much love lately, some of the eukaryotic creatures of the aforementioned lineage will absorb some of the related poisonous ones, causing the latter to become poison-producing organelles.

[kaian-a-coel]

Some of the smaller poripinnans will grow smaller and begin to lodge themselves parasitically in the pores of larger filter-feeding creatures, such as Zanzetukhan's. They will filter out food which would have been pumped into the larger organism.

First parasites there! good job! *Achievement get*

Meanwhile, some of the deep-sea poripinnans[/b] (I thought the poripinnans were monophyletic?) will develop a type of cell which takes note of the chemicals being pumped through the water, as well as cells which form a better intercell communication pathway. In short, a primitive nose and very primitive nerves. Call these new creatures rhinasusans.

At the size the actual organism are, specialized cells for communication are not really useful. Increasing the general cellular communication would be enough.

Finally, because those primordial-soup prokaryotes haven't been getting much love lately, some of the eukaryotic creatures of the aforementioned lineage will absorb some of the related poisonous ones, causing the latter to become poison-producing organelles.

Now this is new. Nowhere on earth there is "poisonous organelles". Poison is usually produced the same way as regular proteins. That would be a secondary, specialized protein "factory", something truly alien. It is perhaps less efficient than the regular way, though.

[Dragor23]

Some of the predator cells start to clump together, making colonies. These colonies have thre types of cells.

1 : Move cells = They're the "motors" of the colonies, having many flagellas.
2 : Link cells = These cells are tunnels and connections to the move cells and the breeder cells
3 : Breeder cells = These cells are the only cells in the colony capable of mitosis. They produce link cells and move cells, as well daughter blobs, which mature inside the mother colony.

The fate of every colony is to die eventually, because the daughter colony rupture the mother colony.

Usually, these colonies have 50-100 cells. They form a ball, but only the surface are cells. The innard is filled with jelly, in which the daughter colonies mature.

They're prone to viral infections.

[GreatWyrmGold]

Some of the smaller poripinnans will grow smaller and begin to lodge themselves parasitically in the pores of larger filter-feeding creatures, such as Zanzetukhan's. They will filter out food which would have been pumped into the larger organism.

First parasites there! good job! *Achievement get*

Viruses are technically parasites...
Thanks, though.

Meanwhile, some of the deep-sea poripinnans[/b] (I thought the poripinnans were monophyletic?) will develop a type of cell which takes note of the chemicals being pumped through the water, as well as cells which form a better intercell communication pathway. In short, a primitive nose and very primitive nerves. Call these new creatures rhinasusans.

At the size the actual organism are, specialized cells for communication are not really useful. Increasing the general cellular communication would be enough.

I had imagined the poripinnans as being at least a millimeter or so...um, GM, can we get an update on sizes?

Finally, because those primordial-soup prokaryotes haven't been getting much love lately, some of the eukaryotic creatures of the aforementioned lineage will absorb some of the related poisonous ones, causing the latter to become poison-producing organelles.

Now this is new. Nowhere on earth there is "poisonous organelles". Poison is usually produced the same way as regular proteins. That would be a secondary, specialized protein "factory", something truly alien. It is perhaps less efficient than the regular way, though.

I'd imagine that an organelle which devoted itself entirely to producing one or a few proteins or whatever would actually be MORE efficient than a cell making its own.

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

This time, I have to agree with the others. This is WAY too complex compared to the most complex things we have now: sponges with a few specialized tissues. The floating on gas is alright, the mobile sponge-like creatures descended from the deep sea organisms could develop bubbles of gas to float on water currents. Although the stomach is way beyond what is possible right now. The most advanced creatures have only separated chambers for filtering food and CO₂ right now! You'll have to use a simpler version of the organism.

I have to ask, without the primitive version of the heart, how is the organism sending the nutrients to the cells far away from the stomach?  I had placed in the primitive version of the heart (only has a single chamber) there to cause pressure fluctuations to send the nutrients to the rest of the body, but since it is not there, what is sending along the nutrients?

Nevermind, bacteria evolved for that purpose (aka. smaller) would be the better solution to the problem at the current time.  Could also have another kind in the stomach as well.

Was going to post this to help in the decision of what would be needed instead of a heart, but I thought of the solution above.  It took so long to make, and I am not going to delete it.

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