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[Toaster]

From my second post in TEAM AMERICA chat:

On further consideration, I expect one of you is actually a filthy traitorous scumbag and not on our side at all.

Bastard.

Called it.


Quite the enjoyable game!  Reading for more detail now.

[Jim Groovester]

By the way, Jim, this was also my gift to you for what happened in the second Witches' Coven.

Thanks, bro. I was really excited about this game, but I couldn't keep up with four games, one of which had four different miniature mafia games inside it, and maths at the same time, so I had to replace out else I would have gone crazy.

The end game strategy LNCP alluded to was the following: Ultimately, the success of the Russian team depended on everyone not knowing what the hell was really going on until it was too late. This was always going to be a losing battle, since everyone was going to became extremely curious when a spy flipped that wasn't on their team. So early on, I started thinking about how I would deal with it when I was discovered.

The lie would go something like this: That I am a superspy, and that I'm a German double agent on behalf of the Allies in addition to being an embedded spy in every single team. The reason that we were all out here is that secrets were being leaked to the Germans from each of our teams, and that after making the Allies aware of this, their heavy-handed response to the intelligence leaks was to send everyone involved on a suicide mission. I would try to sell that on each team there was a German double agent, and that if we could discover the identities of the double agents and eliminate them, we could get the artifact or whatever and escape with our lives. To lend credence to what I was saying, I would have brought up Where Eagles Dare, for its emphasis on secret agents and double agents and super secret double agents, and said that this game was sort of that movie but in the extreme. I also would have immediately bussed IronyOwl for not being on any team.

I have no idea if it would have worked or not, but that's what my plan was. By posing as a sort of friendly quadruple agent instead of a hostile one, I think my chances of successfully not dying might have been higher in the short term, but after a certain point I think I would have been on the chopping block anyway.

Regardless, fun game.

[Leafsnail]

I don't think you'd be able to survive as a claimed quadruple agent.  It just screams "I AM THE BASTARD SCUM".  It'd be interesting to have a bastard setup where the apparent bastard scum is actually town but that's another issue.

The easiest way to boost the scum would be to remove roleflips, but that would probably push it too far in the other direction.

[Toaster]

The amount of detail you put into the flavor is amazing.  Congrats.

I'll say it again- not knowing ahead of time that my vote steal would be obvious like that was a nasty surprise.  I'm used to games where votecounts just show the obvious voting.

And ZU, please stop being an idiot and attacking the single least lynchable person possible (Toaster).

<3

I think that Toaster is about the only non-spy in the game.

Where'd that come from?

[zombie urist]

I was purposely doing that to 'do nothing' since I knew Toaster wouldn't suspect it.

I also considered claiming multi-spy in the various chats, but I didn't think anyone would buy it. Its also kinda strange to claim such a thing that late into the game.

If the claims didn't start pouring out, I considered asking Shakerag to claim IO as being part of his team.

This game might be really !!fun!! on IRC.

[Tiruin]

I. Knew. It.

I did google Brian Cleeve, but then attributed everything darn else to flavor! Even re-read my own PM flavor four times to imagine the situation (yes, this is me and flavor.) and I totally missed the references! Yes, even the vial of sweet smelling liquid. Hapah cornered the idea.

...There goes my History and Chemistry lessons.

That was awesome LNCP. Awesome in the way that people will be attributing to this game in the future when they reference [STUFF].

[Hapah]

I won't get around to reading all the chats until tomorrow, but I've gotta say:

A+ work, LNCP. My first game with you, and I'm be a liar if I said it wasn't damn enjoyable.

(And I didn't even pick up on half the damned clues and I still felt like a clever bastard! Shows what I know, lol)

[Tiruin]

You got more clues than any of us...

[lordnincompoop]

I'm glad you all enjoyed the game - I certainly had fun making it.

I'll say it again- not knowing ahead of time that my vote steal would be obvious like that was a nasty surprise.  I'm used to games where votecounts just show the obvious voting.

Yeah, sorry about that. I couldn't find much precedent.

[IronyOwl]

It does seem like it was nearly impossible for the Soviets to win, but I played like crap, Jim replaced out, and ZU's plan didn't work, so it's kind of hard to say how that would have gone with a Soviet team that actually had its shit together.

The main issue to me, though, was the flips. With every single lynch or kill turning up a Spy, it was pretty much impossible for everyone not to figure out what was going on eventually.

I think this was also a major flaw in your intent with this game- there wasn't enough fiddly stuff to figure out the "real" game, nor was doing so necessary to win. All they had to do was figure out that everyone was a spy, notice that Allied spies being "enemies" didn't make much sense, and lynch the odd factors, which was almost exactly what they did do. Changing Soviets to Italians or something wouldn't have hurt anything in this case, but it would have been totally counterproductive to the puzzle element.

[Toaster]

I think focusing on knocking out one team would have gone better- especially with your kill to eliminate those hard to lynch (or Dariush when he wasn't blocking you.)  That way, with one "team" gone, the other two allied groups are more likely to be at odds with each other, and a double agent is more believable than a triple/quadruple agent.  Hindsight is 20/20 though.

I recall the Kommandant saying Comrade at least once, but I didn't draw any conclusions from it.


Also, ZU was a bit right on one thing- if I was a proper German with an Iron Cross, I would have been displaying it proudly, even on the battlefield.  I did a little research and found that German soldiers indeed would wear them pretty much all the time.  It was considered an honor, and a sign of "this guy knows what's up- listen to him."  Apparently no one checked up on it, and no idea if I should have worn it sleeping.

[Dariush]

An interesting concept, but it was spoiled after BMC flipped spy. Also LNCP, your Russian translation is atrocious. Asking a native to translate that would have been far more realistic.

I considered you non-spy, Toaster, because you were behaving the least scummy.

I hate myself for guessing the existence of a double agent, but thinking it was DS and not Jim/ZU.

Also, the flavor hints were far too obscure. It is a bit extreme - fitting a single reference to a silenced Kommandant's revolver (which I didn't spot, by the way. Along with other hints ) among literally pages and pages of flavor, then hoping we would become suspicious and discover that it could only be a russian-made one.

I didn't really like the game. It was obvious everyone else was focusing on survival instead of actually solving the puzzle. I figured everything out on D2, but was afraid to claim for fear of people simply lynching me.

Also also, now I'll never be able to trust my teammates in a bastard game ever again. Meeeh.

Edit:

I hate it when ignoring and lynching me wins people the game. D:<

Best mafia quote ever.

[Urist Imiknorris]

Also also, now I'll never be able to trust my teammates in a bastard game ever again. Meeeh.

I've felt this way for a while.

[Hapah]

Dead chat makes me happy.

[TolyK]

Yep.
And good game, that was fun (to read at least, not to say play a bit )