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[TolyK]

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[lordnincompoop]

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I will not count this as activity if I need to throw you the second prod.

[Urist Imiknorris]

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You first.

[Toaster]

I have no idea what's going on with the vote count.

Let's test on TolyK because he's being intentionally useless; curious if this is two votes or a double vote.  TolyK, you can consider this a real vote until you actually do something instead of being a useless McUselessson.


Dariush:  Did you get any vote-related flavor?


Irony:  Fair enough on age.

Powder Miner:

IronyOwl:
Yes, "simpering yesmanship" was the only way to answer that question, much like the question "Are you town?".

Why? What about the Commandant executing three people is so obviously correct that any disagreement whatsoever is tantamount to admitting to being scum?

What does this mean?


Deathsword:  Considering your question to Tiruin, how important is finding scum via flavor in comparison to traditional scumhunting?


Tiruin:

Toaster

Irony:  How old is your character?

How does age matter?

The way he described his claim, I wasn't sure how old he's claiming to be- someone humiliated by WWI probably wasn't six at the time.  I want to make sure it's consistent.  Being old in an elite military unit is unusual in my opinion, but it's not really something to base an attack on- Deathsword's claimed as a WWI vet, for example.


UI:  If you think there's a three man team and a third party, which was BMC?


Hapah:

Toaster: Did you learn anything from gathering all the flavor together?

Nope, other than the question generated to Irony.  But if I need to refer back to it, it's there.

[Hapah]

Toaster: Alright. (And yeah, good call on putting it all in one place; I do the same in some other games. I wonder if we can get all the full PMs together in one place at game end, if they're anything like mine they're extremely well-written.)

Hapah: Now that you're feeling better, who do you suspect? Why?

I need to reread and see if anyone stuck up for BMC. The Powder Miner bandwagon thing is blown out of proportion a little bit, I think.

There is one thing that has been troubling me a little, though, and I'd like an opinion for those who have been in LNCP games before. I've been trying to put together what sort of non-spy enemies we face (if there are just the spies and townies I'll be surprised). What shape would a 3rd party be, and what do the spies want? My best guess at the moment is that we want to recover it, spies want to destroy/steal it, and any 3rd parties probably want to use it. I had that in mind when I was going back over Toaster's flavor list, and Tolyk's claim (below) makes me a little uneasy.

I am Vester Meine Schneider, a 0th SS Division Officer. I believe that the strong should take power. I've worked through the ranks of the SS and was noticed by the Führer. He asked me what I wanted to achieve, to which I replied that the strong should take power - this impressed him enough that he promoted me to the 0th SS. And here I am, helping the strong (such as myself and my nation) to take power.

Normally I wouldn't give it another thought, but what I've read of WC1 and what others have said about how flavor-heavy and flavor-relevant LNCP games are gives me pause. If anyone would attempt to seize power for himself, it'd be someone like above. Should I be concerned about this? Do you think it's relevant?

[Urist Imiknorris]

Toaster:

UI:  If you think there's a three man team and a third party, which was BMC?

Insufficient data.

Hapah:

Toaster: Alright. (And yeah, good call on putting it all in one place; I do the same in some other games. I wonder if we can get all the full PMs together in one place at game end, if they're anything like mine they're extremely well-written.)

Hapah: Now that you're feeling better, who do you suspect? Why?

I need to reread and see if anyone stuck up for BMC. The Powder Miner bandwagon thing is blown out of proportion a little bit, I think.

Yes it is. Does it even count as a bandwagon if it's only two votes?

Is sticking up for BMC the only thing you're looking for?

Tiruin:

So compared to what I've seen from WC2, comparing meta affects this game?

No idea what you're asking, but I'll answer my best guess. Yes, I do feel comparing this to the mod's previous games is valid.

Also, the third-party means...?

A spy who is not on a team with the other spies and presumably has a different goal. You know, the definition of third party.

[Dariush]

Do I detect OMGUS on being called a Nazi Imbecile?

Since when is a vote-that-probably-doesn't-count in response to a lazy scum calling me an imbecile without any reason while voting someone else is considered OMGUS?

Did being called an imbecile need incite a reaction like that?

Yes, you scum.

[Dariush]

Dariush:  Did you get any vote-related flavor?

Nope.

A spy who is not on a team with the other spies and presumably has a different goal. You know, the definition of third party.

Why are you so certain the third party must be a spy?

Post.

Because explanations, excuses, even a simple PFP or a 'No time, will post later' notices are for noobs, right?

[Urist Imiknorris]

Dariush:

A spy who is not on a team with the other spies and presumably has a different goal. You know, the definition of third party.

Why are you so certain the third party must be a spy?

a) Because my theory of a three-man team leaves one spy unaccounted for.
b) This is speculation, so certainty is not a thing.

Since when is a vote-that-probably-doesn't-count in response to a lazy scum calling me an imbecile without any reason while voting someone else is considered OMGUS?

I agree with Tiruin on this one. Riddle me this, Batman: Despite having an actual case on IronyOwl, you cited the insult as your reason for voting him. Which is more important in your eyes, his bandwagon or the fact that he called you an imbecile?

[Teneb]

Toaster:

Deathsword:  Considering your question to Tiruin, how important is finding scum via flavor in comparison to traditional scumhunting?

Considering BMC's flavour, how it said he was good at infiltration, and his flip, I'd say that it might play a part in scumhunting. But I think traditional scumhunting is still going to be the main way of finding the spies.

Tiruin: I'll give you the quotes later today when I have more time.

[Hapah]

PFP

UI: Not the only one; just the obvious one. I doubt I'll be that lucky, though.

[Hapah]

Oh god day ends in....5 hours? 6? Before-I-get-off-work o'clock, is the important bit.

I'll reread what I can and put up a vote, and a post, during lunch.

[Shakerag]

@Shakerag: You can bandwagon with 2 votes? In addition, you can bandwagon with more than 2 days of ample time remaining?

Okay, clearly I am not terribly clear when posting after drinking.  What I was trying to say at that time was: "Jim - are you voting PM for any reason beyond stating that he (PM) is bandwagoning?"

Shakerag:

That part makes sense, but some of the rest of my flavor I had a mental "wtf" moment about.

Examples, please.

Well, I mentioned some of it before.  Like, why would having a single-focused, driven, yet uncreative mind be a very valuable trait in the military.  I'd think having some amount of creativity would be good for being able to react dynamically in combat.  (I will admit that I could be way off base here, not having any military experience personally.)  Or why my flavor connects being very athletic in in my youth with joining the military and rising through the ranks as a "natural" course of action.  (Again, not personally seeing the connection myself.  Perhaps I am dense.)


I think that's all questions/directed comments.  Re-reading and posting more on my next break.

[Teneb]

Tiruin:The quotes you asked. Spoiled to keep it organized.

Spoiler: BMC's speculation based on Jim's question, and my question as to why he was coy (click to show/hide)

Back to BMC:

blackmagechill:

blackmagechill:  If you were a miller, would you claim in your first post?

HMM, that's a good question, along with a bit of rolefishing in there. Curious? I'd probably claim pretty early, because its in my best interest to not seem suspicious and not waste town inspects and/or lynches on myself. Early claiming also keeps people from calling you out on claiming to avoid a lynch after your scumbuddy got in trouble.

I wouldn't tend to consider miller status rolefishing accusation worthy. Why so coy about this?

Just generally being a coy person and an eagerness to get out of RVS, really. This is probably the worst stage in the game because it doesn't reveal much information unless noobscum cracks under a vote.

@Jim: The movie involved Brad Pitt leading a gang of sociopaths across Nazi Occupied France to commit as many war crimes as possible, and his victims were usually scalped or had swastikas carved into their foreheads. The better part of the group was killed in a bar fight in a basement after a british spy blew their cover by using the English three hand gesture (index, middle, ring) as opposed to the german one (index, middle, thumb) the remainder of the group blows up a movie theater with hitler in it.

So American SKs, or two teams of spies unable to contact each other. But most likely american SKs.

What makes you so sure the reference to the movie at the thread title has anything to do with the presence of SKs, and American ones at that?

Do you have any reason to be coy about claiming? Are you, perhaps, hiding something?

Spoiler: BMC acting with what looks like anger when answering my question (click to show/hide)

@DeathSword: Oh, its oddly coy to be looking for signs of scummy behavior right out of the gate? I'm sorry, I guess I'll go back to asking people about their choices between two horribly flawed thought systems. What is wrong with looking for tells from the first few posts, and what, specifically with that off handed halfucasation (that's a portmanteau of half and accusation that I just made up, for clarity reasons)?

Spoiler: Then he (fake)claims his role despite the only claiming going on was flavour (click to show/hide)

What is odd is that you are coy about it, as you said you were.

A quick look at [ur=http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/coyl]Wikitionary[/url] provided the following meaning to the word:

Reluctant to give details about something sensitive

So, why are you coy?

I've been using that word wrong for quite a while it seems. I was thinking of it as being a bit more synonymous with shrewd or suspicious. I tossed out my flavor claim, and for those interested, I am a vanilla townie. My role and stuff is scattered throughout my posts, but, admittedly, still there.

Spoiler: I then asked a few questions, but he disappeared for the rest of the day and was lynched and those questions were left unasnwered. (click to show/hide)

BMC:

for those interested, I am a vanilla townie. My role and stuff is scattered throughout my posts, but, admittedly, still there.

Why are you claiming your role now? Are you trying to make the kill-roles target someone else by saying you have no powers at all?

Dariush: What are you voting Hapah for? He was chainsawing for Jim, but just sticking his name in all caps in a vote post is a bit weird.

How is Dariush chainsawing Hapah? And how is Hapah chainsawing Jim?

DeathSword: Since you seem to be interested in my SK idea, do you think there are any third parties?

I am currently unsure if there are third parties or not. I couldn't find any indication on the flavour for it.

[lordnincompoop]

Votecount:

Jim Groovester	- 0 -
Tiruin	- 1 -	Deathsword
Toaster	- 1 -	Tiruin
Dariush	- 1 -	Urist Imiknorris
IronyOwl	- 0 -
TolyK	- 2 -	Toaster, Toaster
Urist Imiknorris	- 2 -	Jim Groovester, IronyOwl
Hapah	- 0 -
Shakerag	- 0 -
Deathsword	- 0 -
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Not Voting	- 3 -	Shakerag, TolyK, Hapah
No Lynch	- 0 -
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Extend	- 0 -
Shorten	- 0 -

TolyK has been prodded.
Jim Groovester has been prodded.
IronyOwl has been prodded.

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