'Being nice' in this case means not attacking him constantly for making basic slips. For example, in the Wild West Mafia I referenced when I subbed in, shark drew a massive amount of pressure because he had made a massive a noob (but not scum) mistake; the difference here is that most if not all of the new players have made mistakes which are easy to pick up on.
Also you seemed to be intentionally giving him an easy time, because you read him as town whereas you read others (say, Nabic) as neutral.
Okay, I'm not 100% sure if I'm following you, but my response is thus: Yes, you're all making mistakes left and right, and Jim or I or any IC could likely drive a lynch on any player of our choosing if we were so inclined. If we see newbslips we try to correct them (or let the player realized what they did wrong on thier own). If we see scumslips, then we vote and pressure. Sometimes I like to take a bit more "hands off" approach and let the players work things out for themselves and leave the analysis to post-game. Experience being the best teacher and all that.
In a non-BM game, slips of any kind are going to draw attention. Lots of it. In a BM game, it's pretty much expected, and it's the ICs job to sift through all the false positives and look for honest-to-god scumslips. This is not always as easy as you might imagine it to be.
If I see a player being very sloppy, but I read that it's more newbieness than scummy, I'm not going to drill into them like I'm hunting for oil. [In fact, and here's one of those situations where ICs are obligated to shoot ourselves in the feet, I like to watch a player that's obviously new/bad and see who is attacking that player for being new/bad and why. Scum like to go after the low-hanging fruit.]
Does that clarify things?
Just asking. In EpicMafia, which I used to play, anyone who claimed a role while under pressure would usually get a 90% vote majority in seconds.
In forum mafia, like this, if the cop/doctor claims, is it usual for scum to counter claim immediately, and the inverse true?
[From what I understand from the other bay12ers, EpicMafia is ... a rather unique beast unto itself. I think we tend to be a bit more cautious here in general. Scum are less likely to counter-fakeclaim unless it's milo/lylo. Obviously this is not a hard and fast rule. Sometimes claiming while being fitted for the noose will buy you some breathing room, sometimes not. Of course, scum usually off the claiming player that night, but at least you might give town a shot at lynching someone worthwhile.]
Either IC, If you were in ShoesandHats's position, would you have claimed Town Doctor before getting lynched?
Yes. What would be the reason not to?
Although my initial intuition was to claim, it could seem like he's rolefishing for the actual doctor as mafia, making him more likely to get voted off. Wouldn't mafia be just as likely to claim a power role to out the real one? Also, considering that there is no doctor, would you come out tomorrow even if you could only confirm 2 townies as cop?
Yeah, that's a possibility. I don't think I've seen that happen as often, and certianly not very often in BMs. The problem with fakeclaiming is that once anything throws doubt on your claim (like the real cop/doctor dying), you get an insta-lynch on the fakeclaimer. Hence why I tend to see scum only fakeclaim when it's either very late game or everyone's massclaiming.
In a smaller, role-light game as this, I'd likely claim after two town results, yes.
[Another thing to look for when trying to spot fakeclaims is how the claim is constructed. If a scum is fakeclaiming a cop, look for inspect results on players that have already died and flipped. Scum will also inspect thier buddies as town. Check to see if there's a good reason they chose to inspect the targets they claimed to inspect. Doc fake claims are easier, because you don't (usually) get notified if you're protected but it didn't trigger. Still, always look to the reasons.]
Hypothetical. If you thought ShoesandHats was town, and Captain Ford scum towards D1 end, would you have pushed for a further extension and a Captain Ford lynch?
Assuming the votes were the same? Likely not. It would have been a rather ... monumental effort to try and swing that many votes on my target. Especially D1, when we still have breathing room before milo/lylo. Town mislynch on D1 is ... highly common, especially in BMs. However, this is not a tragedy, because now we have some solid info to work from. Suspicious interactions between those who flipped town and other players can be safely dropped, and a re-analysis of reasons for voting someone who flipped town can be had.
I've been gone for a little while, but I'll replace in if you would have me, ZU.
I'm not sure how to properly apologise for the last game I was a part of (and thoroughly ruined by leaving), but I still feel bad and I am really sorry.
[You're not the worst offender that we've kept around.]
As a result, he finds himself at the center of a lot of misunderstandings, both because his words are a mess and he doesn't understand what was being said in the first place.
Captain Ford ... so do you think Mr.Zero was indeed scum then, or "at the center of a lot of misunderstandings"?
Does Mr.Zero replacing out change your willingness to vote?
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