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[Scottzar]

30 hours? At the moment, there's just under 47 hours left ...

And, actually, that does seem short. If Tuesday was supposed to be night, then the day should be ending on Friday, not Thursday. Maybe Urist was off by a day?

Facepalm. I just realised when I read this post I was comparing the time he said with my local time. There's like a 12 - 16 hour difference, I forget.
Still, I was expecting 3 days not 2.

What you seem to be saying is that he seems to be deliberately trying to seem busy, and you find this suspicious.

Sort of. He's posting deliberately for us to stop pressuring him until he gets the chance to post, even though there's no point stacking extra pressure on him anyway if he doesn't answer the questions.

[zombie urist]

Current vote count:

Kingfisher1112:
Captain Ford:
Mr.Zero [2]: Scottzar, Captain Ford
Nabic:
scottzar [1]: Mr. Zero
Jim Groovester:
Shakerag:

Not voting: Kingfisher1112, Nabic, Jim Groovester, Shakerag

Extension requests: 2
Shorten requests: 0

3 votes needed to extend the day
4 votes needed to shorten the day

Day 1 will end Friday, November 2 at ~9:00 P.M. PST.
Day was supposed to end on Friday, so now it does.

[Nabic]

Certainly is quite quiet today, but I guess that's expected for Halloween?

It might be early to extend, but with multiple players having limited posting ability, we'll probably need one regardless.

Mr.Zero, you usually post quite frequently. Why don't we have even a PFP from you?

Scottzar and Captain Ford, What are your reasons for voting Mr.Zero? Each of you posted one-liners before voting him.

[Mr.Zero]

Sorry, but at this moment i have a 2 projects and learning for some tests which are important for me. I won't be able to post till the weekend.

[Scottzar]

Scottzar and Captain Ford, What are your reasons for voting Mr.Zero? Each of you posted one-liners before voting him.

I've been pressuring him a lot, as you know, and the root of the pressure hasn't yet been addressed. He needs to scumhunt. He reacted badly, to my pressure at least three separate times: #214, #225, and #210.
I delivered an ultimatum here, more or less, which he hasn't even touched on AFAIK. Instead he posts an excuse about being busy, delaying us until after day's end. We definitely need to extend until he can answer, and Kingfisher needs to make a case because ATM he has 1.5 lines worth of contributions in the newer suspicion setups.

I'm not really posting much because I am sitting on my pressure and my vote and waiting for his response. Shakerag, Kingfisher, Mr.Zero, and to a lesser extent Jim need to write out their arguments still.

[Captain Ford]

Scottzar and Captain Ford, What are your reasons for voting Mr.Zero? Each of you posted one-liners before voting him.

I'm pressuring him for a reaction, not much else. With so little activity, it felt like one of the few things I could do to possibly make some headway. I picked him mostly because of his blatant OMGUS vote.

[Nabic]

Sorry, but at this moment i have a 2 projects and learning for some tests which are important for me. I won't be able to post till the weekend.

Well, this definitely calls for an Extend.

[Scottzar]

Shakerag: you said your vote wouldn't change anything. I assume you were voting for ShoesandHats, because you said you found him scummy?
If not, who and what for?

Kingfisher: who do you think is the most likely to be scum? Why?
This is basic stuff. Do you think you can make a strong case over the weekend?

Mr.Zero: post when you're ready. We will be waiting for you.

[Shakerag]

[First of all, I'm glad to see you all being somewhat active and moving things along, even though both ICs are apparently "busy as fuck".]

Honestly this was more asking for advice than scumhunting. From what I know, replacements are usually swamped with questions when they get in, though again, my experience is limited.

[...]

@Shakerag: Do you think, if the day goes through without shortening, anything will be achieved/changed? The same slips and arguments keep coming up as far as I can see.

[For the first point, yes, sometimes replacements get swamped with questions.  That's fairly normal.  I'm not sure what advice you're looking for.  If you get asked questions, then you get asked questions.  Asking people to ask you questions isn't scummy per se, but comes across as a bit odd, IMO.]

As for the second point, looks like it didn't.  And I'm not terribly surprised.  Barring a spectacular scumslip or a masterful argument on someone's part, things looked pretty cemented.

Shakerag, Isn't that what you and Jim want, for D1 to be over? As ICs, why don't you suggest a shorten, or fewer extends?

[What we want is for you all to learn.  If that takes a short D1 or a long D1 so be it.  Beginner's games often have a very lengthy D1, and I suppose that it is ... painful for Mr. Groovester to have to watch newbies flail about for that long.  Also, I throw out extends because either I need them or it seems like a number of players could use one.  I don't think I'd shorten unless it seemed like a majority already were calling for it.]

Unvoting for now.  I think it's funny how we went from ganging up on Mr.Zero to ShoesandHats, and I want to look into that a bit more.

This was several days ago. Thoughts about this since then?

Reading back, nothing terribly conclusive.  I didn't see anything in the vote shifting specifically to cause my scumdar to ping.

Shakerag: you said your vote wouldn't change anything. I assume you were voting for ShoesandHats, because you said you found him scummy?
If not, who and what for?

I wasn't voting at day end.  I said my vote wouldn't have changed anything, because there was a two-vote gap between the highest and second-highest players.  I didn't get the time in I wanted for a full re-read, and some of ShoesandHat's later posts started to make me question how scummy he was, so I didn't want to just slap my vote on him. 


Captain Ford:  So what did you learn from going over Mr.Zero's posts?

Nabic: What's your read on kingfisher1112?  If it's not strong, why aren't you questioning him?

Mr.Zero: Who's most scummy after Scottzar to you?

kingfisher1112: Why does Mr.Zero acting like you make you think he's scum?  Weren't you innocent when you did the same thing?

Scottzar: In #225 you were stating Mr.Zero didn't justify his vote.  Elaborate?  Also, what did you think about Jim's response to you in #246?

Jim: What's your read on Nabic and Scottzar? 

[zombie urist]

Day ends 9:00 PM PST Tuesday, November 6th.

0 votes to extend.
0 votes to shorten.

[kingfisher1112]

Shakerag  Why the massive lurk bro? also, you contributed very little in Shoes Vs. Mr Zero. In fact you stuck with your vote on Captain Ford. Tell me, What were you trying to achieve?
And to answer your question, I did not call Zero scum.
Scottzar: Not sure yet, but I will be making a case come Saturday/Friday night.

[Nabic]

Nabic: What's your read on kingfisher1112?  If it's not strong, why aren't you questioning him?

It's neutral; I need more posts from him. Haven't been questioning him because he said he'd post more later.

Nabic: I was going to sit out till next week, but Zombie Urist replaced me in immediatly. Woops. And my reads arent very good, but Mr Zero seems rather like me, in the sense he made brash, bold claims, didn't back em up and then got the hammer. I'm watching him. Shake is lurk lurk. Those are my reads. More soon, I've gotta read.

Emphasis mine.
kingfisher1112, What happened to the promised reads?

Either IC, If you were in ShoesandHats's position, would you have claimed Town Doctor before getting lynched?

Jim Groovester, Has your read on Mr.Zero changed since you last posted it?

[Scottzar]

Scottzar: In #225 you were stating Mr.Zero didn't justify his vote.  Elaborate?  Also, what did you think about Jim's response to you in #246?

I was just talking about in general then. My exact line was, as you know,

Beautiful. Other people have made these points, yes, but you still need to justify your vote. Voting someone without saying an argument simply because others have made one is usually bandwagoning; even if it is just a compilation of points from the thread, its important to explain your reasoning, so it can be attacked if necessary.

Maybe I failed to express myself properly, because the section after I said 'Beautiful' was just in general; I was explaining my motives for asking his reasoning on ShoesandHats, because he called me out for asking his reasoning in the post I quoted, (though not in a part that I quoted) here:

What you will most probably notice is that these points already have been made on the board. That question is just plain stupid and shows that you are lazy and didn't bother to truly read everything and decided to have a go at someone and let him sum up the points for you.

Regarding this response?

More importantly, how would Shoes flipping town change your suspicion of Mr.Zero?

It wouldn't affect my read on him very much.

When I first read it I thought "well this means neither IC really thinks Mr.Zero is scum, his case on ShoesandHats is solid, and if he scumhunted more (i.e. at all after ShoesandHats) he would look like a perfect town"
Later I thought "The IC's are just being nice to Mr.Zero because he appears to be a noob-town, but he doesn't scumhunt despite me telling him to, so I should keep pressuring him."

I honestly hadn't thought about that question since D2. And despite my reading back and checking Jim's posts, I couldn't find his impression, but I remember it as being the same as yours (e.g. noobtown).

[Scottzar]

EBWOP:

Kingfisher: Why are you basing your vote off of 1 line which you wrote, when you intend to write a proper attack?
Is there any reason you didn't wait until you had put down more proof?

As an addendum to nabic's question:

Either IC, If you were in ShoesandHats's position, would you have claimed Town Doctor before getting lynched?

Would your answer change if you were a cop?

[kingfisher1112]

Scottzar: It's a pressure vote. Really, if you can't realise that then herp derp for you.

Also, please note my entire Fucking game is gonna be PFP.

Also, Reads!
Nerjin: Seems very desperate to either:
A: Get things over and done with or
B: Not post anything he doesn't exactly have to.
Meh. He could flip either really.
Jim: As a player, is kinda scummy due to lack of content. IC-Wise, nothing really different.
Shakerag: Lurk.
Nabic: Meh.
Mr Zero: EXTEND EXTEND EXTEND
Xny: Meh. Isn't standing out.
Cap Ford: Again, Meh.
Scottzar: Doesn't know what a pressure vote is.

Alright, tommorrow is time for Mafia.