Going to address this later, after I finish re-reading everything.
@Everyone other than Nabic and ShoesandHats: Why haven't you questioned me? Jim can say he hasn't gotten a post in after the replacement, but Mr.Zero and Shakerag, why haven't I gotten any pressure from you?
Onto this post's meat.
@Scottzar: The sudden replacement caught us off guard, I think. So how about this: Reading back over xny's posts, is there anything you would have done differently?
Scottzar
Could you provide some reasons for the order of your suspicion list? For example, why Captain Ford is in the middle or why Nerjin is at the bottom?
Sure:
ShoesandHats: focusing one person with a very weak case, not fixing errors which they are called out on,
Mr.Zero: focusing one person/defending self to exclusion of hunting, especially from a weak case.
Nerjin: very unsubstantial answers, not much scumhunting, especially since
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=117173.msg3726091#msg3726091Shakerag: Voting someone who isn't their main lead, not questioning me.
Borno: massive amount of lurking and lack of posting when list was made, position is much lower/better as off now
Captain Ford: not posting enough, basically.
Jim: meta-tells, like I questioned him about in my post.
Nabic: nothing here that I can see out of the ordinary, which I will focus more on soon.
Why, in particular, no questions to either of the IC's? Shakerag hasn't been under significant pressure at all, as far as I know. You can't wait for him to slip himself, so why no actual questions?
Jim, also, has been acting if not suspiciously, rather strangely. I suppose meta-tells in a BM game aren't really that valid because of the playstyle change, but you can at least start to ask him about it.
Scottzar, why complain about others not questioning ICs if you don't do it yourself?
But I did.
Jim: you are playing very differently to how you did in, say, Wild West Mafia. You are much more... laconic. In particular, I would have expected you to pressure ShoesandHats when you changed your vote to him. There are a number of possible reasons for this, but I'd like to see why you personally are doing this.
I hadn't said anything to Shakerag yet, though.
Please tell me so if this kind of quoting is annoying to you. I personally see little harm in it, but opinions can differ. My post is ORANGE
Mr.Zero
Shoesandhats oh my scummy friend, where are thee? Why have you hidden yourself from our sight?Have you given up? Or are you creating that piece of evidence which will blow us out of our minds and in explicitly proves that i'm scum?
What is the point of this question? To annoy ShoesandHats? To poke him? Why does it need to be so sarcastic to get him to post? Why not put down real pressure and force him to answer that or get lynched?
The point was simply to prod him, it doesn't differ that lot if Urist would've prodded him. The difference is that i've added a little flavor and questions alongside. Now that i look at it again , he didn't even truly to answer those small questions at all. He just redirected them to the answer of my second question.
Of course he didn't answer them. They weren't serious. They looked like (and were) someone randomly attaching trolling to an otherwise valid prod. Right idea, wrong execution. Not really a scumread, though, unless you were doing it to provoke him which you may well be doing.
Vague and unhelpful? Who are you to decide that? I just poked you for your semi-lurk and you jumped, then i asked that question. You totally avoided that question, now it does seem like you have something to hide. If you wouldn't you'd answered the question and produced that statement with it.
Please explain the lack of answer, even though it should be a easy question.
The tone of this is very argumentative and generally unhelpful. If you want someone to answer your/a question, why don't you quote that question?
Why do you call Nabic out on not being able to decide the worth of a question? How does this help your argument? Jim talked to you about it, but you never explained your reasoning.
Because i believe that he automatically assumed that everyone was thinking what he thought at that moment, thus he disregarded it as useless for everyone. While let's say Shakerag ,Borno and i might think different about that.
This helped my argument slightly by seeing that he avoided the question completely, if he has nothing to fear he could've answered it. Even if it was a lie back then like "I was busy, sleeping, sickness, work, etc.", there was no way i would've noticed that he was lying. If he did at all. But now he avoided it, thus it raised my suspicion.
You didn't say why you didn't quote the question. That wasn't rhetoric.
Also, your answer is illogical and avoids my question: it didn't help your argument by seeing that he had avoided the question
because he had already done that, then you slapped the pointless, insulting end on anyway. This is instead of, say, quoting the question you want him to answer.
Yes and no. They should get the lynch on me if they believe i'm scum, but @Nabic : shouldn't they scum hunt further and keep me on their scum leash?
This part is fairly redeeming, in that it seems true. However, Mr.Zero: given that you've been called on it, shouldn't you stop focusing on who is pressuring you, and instead deal with it while scumhunting. ShoesandHats is the only one you seem to be putting much pressure on.
I've had SOMETHING on Xny, but unfortunately he got replaced by u. So right now, i'm left with a case against shoesandhast and leads here and there, but i cannot figure out something strong or something that isn;t utter bullshit.
Then tell us the utter bullshit. If you notice anything, you can start to pressure someone on it. Maybe not vote them, but ask, Pressure is how you make people slip and crack.
Mr.Zero: you seem to be harassing people to supplement your pressure. Do you think the potentially added scumhunting, if any, is enough to counteract the hate and votes it earns you?
Also, in your last post, which was fairly large, you make
no effort to hunt scum. The only reason at this point that I don't have my vote on you is that ShoesandHats is using really
bad arguments to try and force a lynch on you, because you seem scummy.
Is this babies first buss that I see going on, or do you have a good reason why Shoes is scum?
Shakerag: why no pressure on me? Why is Mr.Zero possibly town, and why am I? Shouldn't I be neutral because of how little chance to get a read you had?
Nerjin: Your posts since
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=117173.msg3726091#msg3726091 haven't been very substantial. Any reason for this?
Also, you appear to find Jim to be highly scummy, but don't vote him. Is this because you think Mr.Zero is innocent, or some other reason (i.e. scumbuddies) which you think protecting him is important, or is ShoesandHats genuinely too scummy to sacrifice a chance to lynch to put pressure on Jim?
Borno and Nerjin: similar to the above question: do you think ShoesandHats is scummy, or innocent?
Jim: you defended Mr.Zero's action of defending himself. I can see why you defend people in a BM, but his excessive amount of self defence appears to occur in lieu of scumhunting. If this trend continues, do you think he is the second most scummy?
Unanswered Questions: (generally people haven't posted yet)
Jim: you are playing very differently to how you did in, say, Wild West Mafia. You are much more... laconic. In particular, I would have expected you to pressure ShoesandHats when you changed your vote to him. There are a number of possible reasons for this, but I'd like to see why you personally are doing this.
@Everyone other than Nabic and ShoesandHats: Why haven't you questioned me? Jim can say he hasn't gotten a post in after the replacement, but Mr.Zero and Shakerag, why haven't I gotten any pressure from you?
In particular, I am looking at Shakerag and Nerjin supplying some pressure.
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