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[xny]

Remember that, the more info the town gets, the more info scum get as well.

What information besides who the cop and doctor are is worth withholding so that the scum don't get it?

Not exactly what I meant. Scum may start to learn how people act, what they may react to, and other such things that aren't exact evidence, but still useful.

[Mr.Zero]

Sry guys was at a birthday.

Do you feel it's more painful for town when the cop or the doctor is roleblocked? Why?

Obviously, it is. But it's just a minor setback if town manages to track down scum.

Kingfisher1222: I happened to read one of the previous BM's you were in, and at one point you were totally cornered for the chopping block even though you were innocent in the end. What would you do now if you'd end up in the same situation?

Nabic Let's say that at some point there are little leads about who the scum is, and you happen to have a role with evidence to back it up. Would you role claim to help out the town even though marking yourself as a NK target?


Shoesandhats Please define the suspicious player more. Is it the aggressive one? The passive one? The lurker? Maybe the good player?

[Mr.Zero]

I have a feeling that due to the timezone difference it will be quite annoying to discuss :/

[kingfisher1112]

@Mr.Zero: ERRR WRONG, 1112. Anyway, that has happened twice now. I'll try harder with a stronger case at the start. And trust me, it will happen in this mafia. And I'll be innocent again.

[Mr.Zero]

Pardon me about that small 1222 mistake, it wont happen again.

@Mr.Zero: ERRR WRONG, 1112. Anyway, that has happened twice now. I'll try harder with a stronger case at the start. And trust me, it will happen in this mafia. And I'll be innocent again.

Trust is a commodity in here, and it is rarely present. Why are you so sure about your innocence claim?

[Shakerag]

[Greetings newbies!  I'll be the other fabulous IC for this game.  I personally will put IC speech in square brackets, so you know whether I'm speaking in my "IC voice" or if I'm making in-game commentary.]

Shakerag, if you are the mafia role blocker, would you block a suspected doctor or suspected cop?

Block the doctor and have my scumbuddy kill the cop. 

ShakeRag, Is there ever a reason to falsely claim to be the cop? What could you gain by doing so?

Oh, there are lots of reasons.  Most of them terrible, especially if you're town.  Fakeclaiming as town is generally very discouraged, and tends to only work in specific situations, if you're very skilled, and likely both.  As scum, however, a typical time to fakeclaim cop is if the real cop claims and has an inspect on you/your scumbuddy.  This typically only happens in LYLO, as when the real cop dies, your fakeclaim is now a big flashing "lynch me" sign. 

I don't need to vote immediately. I'm trying to figure things out. Even on the first day, you can at least come up with some reason as to why you're voting for someone. What's the problem with answering questions? Sure, I would probably do well to ask some more questions myself, but I don't see what the problem is.

[Welcome back.  I hope you fare better than your last attempt.  On the first day, especially during the RVS phase, your "reason" for voting someone is what that 'R' stands for in the acronym, yes?]

No, I don't copy/paste it. I think about what I want to say at the beginning of every BM, and then write it all down. It turns out that I end up writing the exact same thing every single game, so I have to add the addendum at the end that people might have seen it before.

Doh ho ho ho.

I have a feeling that due to the timezone difference it will be quite annoying to discuss :/

[Just don't wait for someone to reply to you before continuing and it'll be fine.  Maintain multiple avenues of questioning/attack.  Just sitting and waiting for someone to reply is lurkish, and you will get called for it.]


Captain Ford: You're a cop on N1.  Who do you inspect first:  A lurky player, A first-time player that's somewhat scummy, an IC, or a BM veteran that's coming across as "too town" to you?

xny: You're scum, and your lynch target is ahead in votes.  One of the other players voting for the same person has had his vote there since RVS with terrible reasons, and he has been lurking heavily.  Do you say anything about it or let the lynch go through?

Jim: Using the Bisection method, what is a solution accurate to within 10^-5 of x - 2^-x = 0 for 0 ≤ x ≤ 1?

[zombie urist]

Current vote count:

Nerjin:	Captain Ford
ShoesandHats:	Nabic
Kingfisher1112:
Captain Ford:
Mr.Zero:	xny
Nabic:	Jim Groovester
xny:	Shakerag
Jim Groovester:
Shakerag:

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[xny]

xny: You're scum, and your lynch target is ahead in votes.  One of the other players voting for the same person has had his vote there since RVS with terrible reasons, and he has been lurking heavily.  Do you say anything about it or let the lynch go through?

Call it out. The heavy lurk seems to be common reasons for a lynch, so when it goes wrong, I doubt there would be too much blame on myself and more on the lurking town. However, if the person currently being lynched acted even more scummy, I would probably let it go until the next day to prevent a sort of defensive look.

@Mr.Zero: ERRR WRONG, 1112. Anyway, that has happened twice now. I'll try harder with a stronger case at the start. And trust me, it will happen in this mafia. And I'll be innocent again.

What makes you think it will happen again? Are you not confident in yourself?
Also..

@Shoes: The other dude. Mafia do not like to attract attention to themselves.

Is this a solid rule? Do you think they ever should attract attention?

Do you feel it's more painful for town when the cop or the doctor is roleblocked? Why?

Obviously, it is. But it's just a minor setback if town manages to track down scum.

Maybe I worded it oddly. I meant to ask which of the doctor or the cop being roleblocked ends up worse for the town.


Shakerag: Is a scummy-acting town better off dead?

@Jim Groovester [May I call you Jim?]

The reason they would believe it is that hot-heads prevail. People are lazy creatures. Even if they manage to avoid the trap it would always be in the backround of their mind whispering its siren's song.

Do you feel you also act this way?  Does everyone?

[Nerjin]

@xny

As a player who wouldn't be expecting it? Yes. I would be inclined to believe a scum "outing" a partner. Especially if they did it convincingly. Granted it turns into a WIFOM if you think of it. Maybe he actually did out his partner but now we're not going to believe it's his partner. Wouldn't you be inclined to believe it though if you weren't expecting it?

[Mr.Zero]

@Xny I strongly believe the cop. Atleast in BM's. That is because a cop is practically fool-proof to use, you can inspect someone. Whether he is scum or not doesn't matter, cause both outcomes provide you valuable information.

While the doc can accidentally shield scum, even if he didn't mean to. That is cause Doc is more reliant on what the players say and how they react. Newbie mafia players (That includes me as well) make more often the mistake of misreading the information given thus wasting his/her action for the night and a unlucky townie.

[Jim Groovester]

The reason they would believe it is that hot-heads prevail. People are lazy creatures. Even if they manage to avoid the trap it would always be in the backround of their mind whispering its siren's song.

So people will constantly think that a dying scum's last word was the truth?

That's ridiculous.

Remember that, the more info the town gets, the more info scum get as well.

What information besides who the cop and doctor are is worth withholding so that the scum don't get it?

Not exactly what I meant. Scum may start to learn how people act, what they may react to, and other such things that aren't exact evidence, but still useful.

How is that useful to the scum?

Isn't learning how the town plays also beneficial to the town? Why bother preventing this information from getting out?

Jim: Using the Bisection method, what is a solution accurate to within 10^-5 of x - 2^-x = 0 for 0 ≤ x ≤ 1?

Arithmetic is for computers.

[Nerjin]

@Jim Groovester:

I didn't say it wasn't ridiculous [Did I? If so I apologize] I'm just saying that people are lazy when it comes to that sort of thing. I am reasonably certain that people would believe it if it happened.

[xny]

Remember that, the more info the town gets, the more info scum get as well.

What information besides who the cop and doctor are is worth withholding so that the scum don't get it?

Not exactly what I meant. Scum may start to learn how people act, what they may react to, and other such things that aren't exact evidence, but still useful.

How is that useful to the scum?

Isn't learning how the town plays also beneficial to the town? Why bother preventing this information from getting out?

I'm sure they can try to use anything on people in order to get them to follow what they want. It could be useful for town too, I wasn't really saying we should/can try to keep it away, but that everyone gains something the more days go by.

@xny

As a player who wouldn't be expecting it? Yes. I would be inclined to believe a scum "outing" a partner. Especially if they did it convincingly. Granted it turns into a WIFOM if you think of it. Maybe he actually did out his partner but now we're not going to believe it's his partner. Wouldn't you be inclined to believe it though if you weren't expecting it?

Maybe I am misunderstanding you here.. but no, not really. Thinking it through, why would someone decide to out their partner, ever? It's simply Wifom and over with. Do you believe everything you hear without even thinking about it? Do you happen to be thinking by yourself right now?

[Captain Ford]

Captain Ford: You're a cop on N1.  Who do you inspect first:  A lurky player, A first-time player that's somewhat scummy, an IC, or a BM veteran that's coming across as "too town" to you?

An IC. IC's logically have the most influence over the game, due to their experience and advisory role, and they're either the most valuable as known town, or the most dangerous as mafia. Plus they're hard to get a read on otherwise.

@xny

As a player who wouldn't be expecting it? Yes. I would be inclined to believe a scum "outing" a partner. Especially if they did it convincingly. Granted it turns into a WIFOM if you think of it. Maybe he actually did out his partner but now we're not going to believe it's his partner. Wouldn't you be inclined to believe it though if you weren't expecting it?

Actually, now that I've had more time to think on it, that play doesn't make any sense at all. Nobody would have any reason to doubt your claim, and unless the game is already lost for town, it's basically an auto-lose for mafia. Unless, of course, the scum is lying.

And why would you ever be inclined to believe anything that scum says? It's dangerous to take anything they say at face value.

[ShoesandHats]

Shoesandhats Please define the suspicious player more. Is it the aggressive one? The passive one? The lurker? Maybe the good player?

Any or all of the above. I used suspicious as a general term.

xny
Say that you're scum. Your partner has gotten himself into a bit of trouble by slipping up a bit on a question mid-game. Do you bandwagon him, do you remain passive, or do you support him?