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Author Topic: BM XXXVII: Welcome to Zombo Mafia - GAME OVER - TOWN VICTORY  (Read 78353 times)

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Re: BM XXXVII: Welcome to Zombo Mafia - Day 1 - The only limit is yourself
« Reply #45 on: October 14, 2012, 06:13:51 am »

xny, this is your first time playing but you obviously already know what to do to begin. What's the extent of your exposure to mafia, and in particular, Bay12 Mafia?

Epicmafia is where nearly all of my time with mafia comes from. I have spent some time browsing previous games here though.

xny: If you could be Cop or Doctor, which would you use?

Which do I prefer? In a setup like this, I feel cop's importance is much greater than the doctor, at least early on. During the first few days, when both sides are likely solely relying on their own suspicions, it's difficult to match a doctor's protect with a mafia kill. Cops, however, can still be useful with or without a lucky guess.

Nabic, let's say it's late in Day 1. The person about to be lynched is somebody you think is town, while your target is only a few votes away from being in the lead. Do you extend and try to change people's minds or do you wait and see what happens?
Extend the day and change others' minds. After all, the purpose of the day is to find and lynch scum. Killing townies doesn't help the my side. However, if the day already was extended, getting another extend could wear everyone out, especially because we're all new players. I might instead let the lynch go through and suggest a any cops investigate my target.

Do you feel killing a town wears people out less than an extension? If people would not believe your lynch target, why should they believe your cop target?

Time to put on my SHERIUSS MAPHYA FAEC and ask some first day questions!

Nerjin
If someone said that they were the cop, would you trust them? If you were the doctor, would you protect them for the night? Why?
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The answer is: Depends on the context. If they've seemed honest and upfront so far I would but if they seemed even slightly suspicious I would probably not trust them. Furthermore I would protect them henging upon whether I believed the claim or not. The reason being they could easily just be fake-claiming.

What makes you believe or disbelieve a claim?

@Shoes: The other dude. Mafia do not like to attract attention to themselves.

Is this a solid rule? Do you think they ever should attract attention?
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Re: BM XXXVII: Welcome to Zombo Mafia - Day 1 - The only limit is yourself
« Reply #46 on: October 14, 2012, 08:13:55 am »

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Time to put on my SHERIUSS MAPHYA FAEC and ask some first day questions!

Nerjin
If someone said that they were the cop, would you trust them? If you were the doctor, would you protect them for the night? Why?
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The answer is: Depends on the context. If they've seemed honest and upfront so far I would but if they seemed even slightly suspicious I would probably not trust them. Furthermore I would protect them henging upon whether I believed the claim or not. The reason being they could easily just be fake-claiming.

What makes you believe or disbelieve a claim?

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If they've made slips. Contradicting themselves. Switching votes often after the RVS stage. Lurking until they're on the block. It really depends on the situation but those are the ones that come to mind.

@xny If you were mafia godfather would you invite the cop to analyze you to prove your "innocence"?

@Jim Groovester: Two questions. 1) Do you have that speech saved somewhere and just copy/paste?  2) On the third day someone who has been showing mafia signs is night-killed. No one else has been showing yet. What do you do?

@Nabic: If you were mafia who would be your first kill? An experienced player who is likely to find you later on, an inexperienced player who seems adamant on voting you for every day, or some other player type?
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Re: BM XXXVII: Welcome to Zombo Mafia - Day 1 - The only limit is yourself
« Reply #47 on: October 14, 2012, 08:54:21 am »

@xny If you were mafia godfather would you invite the cop to analyze you to prove your "innocence"?

I wouldn't do that as any role, unless the godfather is already dead. It adds more suspicion than it gets rid of. It also likely wouldn't do any good for the cop, as confirming my 'innocence' would leave him open to roleblocking or killing if the doctor is dead.
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Re: BM XXXVII: Welcome to Zombo Mafia - Day 1 - The only limit is yourself
« Reply #48 on: October 14, 2012, 11:14:25 am »

ShoesandHats, suppose you're the cop. On the first night, do you investigate an IC, or a suspicious player?

The suspicious one. Even if it's possible that the IC is using his prior mafia experience to appear town, I'd rather base any actions I have off of actual evidence.
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Re: BM XXXVII: Welcome to Zombo Mafia - Day 1 - The only limit is yourself
« Reply #49 on: October 14, 2012, 11:29:40 am »

ShoesandHats, suppose you're the cop. On the first night, do you investigate an IC, or a suspicious player?

The suspicious one. Even if it's possible that the IC is using his prior mafia experience to appear town, I'd rather base any actions I have off of actual evidence.

How do you decide whether or not someone appears town?
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Re: BM XXXVII: Welcome to Zombo Mafia - Day 1 - The only limit is yourself
« Reply #50 on: October 14, 2012, 11:45:37 am »

ShoesandHats, suppose you're the cop. On the first night, do you investigate an IC, or a suspicious player?

The suspicious one. Even if it's possible that the IC is using his prior mafia experience to appear town, I'd rather base any actions I have off of actual evidence.

How do you decide whether or not someone appears town?

The way you worded that, I'll assume you mean a personal tactic that I use. Well, seeing as the last time I played I was scum, I don't really have any. I'll do my best to look out for scumtells, and the same goes for scumhunting.
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Re: BM XXXVII: Welcome to Zombo Mafia - Day 1 - The only limit is yourself
« Reply #51 on: October 14, 2012, 03:02:26 pm »

@xny: Everything. Everything is worth learning. But mostly I hope to learn who the scum are.
@kingfisher1112: Cop. Solid information helps you win the game, but the Doctor can only postpone losing.

xny, How many other mafia games have you read before you entered this one? How much time have you spent on the wiki?
Nerjin, If you were scum, and your head was on the chopping block, would you out your partner to save yourself?
ShakeRag, Is there ever a reason to falsely claim to be the cop? What could you gain by doing so?
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Re: BM XXXVII: Welcome to Zombo Mafia - Day 1 - The only limit is yourself
« Reply #52 on: October 14, 2012, 03:29:13 pm »

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Nerjin, If you were scum, and your head was on the chopping block, would you out your partner to save yourself?
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No. That would only get me killed and them get them killed the next day. I would "out" someone who wasn't scum at all. That way they'd lynch a townie the next day.
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Re: BM XXXVII: Welcome to Zombo Mafia - Day 1 - The only limit is yourself
« Reply #53 on: October 14, 2012, 04:24:44 pm »

Do you feel killing a town wears people out less than an extension? If people would not believe your lynch target, why should they believe your cop target?
The few times I've played mafia have been mainly irl. Especially on first day, there's not much point dragging it on forever. On day one, it's pretty difficult to be certain of mafia. Multiple extensions and the attention they require should be used later in the game when we have more information.
In Jim Groovester's example, my target only needed a few votes to lynch, so others must have agreed with me. That person would be the next scummiest (next most scummy?) person. It would make sense for cop to inspect him/her.

@Nabic: If you were mafia who would be your first kill? An experienced player who is likely to find you later on, an inexperienced player who seems adamant on voting you for every day, or some other player type?
If I were mafia, I'd try to kill the cop first, and then the player attacking me. If I did it the other way around, the cop might decide to check me, achieving the opposite of the intended effect. Mafia want as little attention as possible. Killing the adamant player before an experienced player would lower attention focused on me.

ShoesandHats, you've posted twice just to answer questions but haven't voted for anyone. Defensiveness is a scumtell. Why aren't you voting? You played in a previous BM so there's no excuse to forget about RVS.

FOS Nerjin, you've been pretty active. Why aren't you taking part in RVS? Scum would want to avoid attacking anyone and stay under the radar of town.
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Re: BM XXXVII: Welcome to Zombo Mafia - Day 1 - The only limit is yourself
« Reply #54 on: October 14, 2012, 04:33:11 pm »

ShoesandHats, you've posted twice just to answer questions but haven't voted for anyone. Defensiveness is a scumtell. Why aren't you voting? You played in a previous BM so there's no excuse to forget about RVS.

I don't need to vote immediately. I'm trying to figure things out. Even on the first day, you can at least come up with some reason as to why you're voting for someone. What's the problem with answering questions? Sure, I would probably do well to ask some more questions myself, but I don't see what the problem is.
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« Reply #55 on: October 14, 2012, 04:57:27 pm »

ShoesandHats, you've posted twice just to answer questions but haven't voted for anyone. Defensiveness is a scumtell. Why aren't you voting? You played in a previous BM so there's no excuse to forget about RVS.

I don't need to vote immediately. I'm trying to figure things out. Even on the first day, you can at least come up with some reason as to why you're voting for someone. What's the problem with answering questions? Sure, I would probably do well to ask some more questions myself, but I don't see what the problem is.

It makes it seem as if you are trying to get everyone to do things for you, possibly so you don't slip up? It's much easier to 'figure things out' when you're taking part. Are there no questions you could ask to help you in your search?

xny, How many other mafia games have you read before you entered this one? How much time have you spent on the wiki?

Most of the DF mafias, a few beginners, that wizard one, a few paranormals, and some weirder ones I don't recall. I spend a bit browsing some theory pages, but all together not too much time.

Do you feel killing a town wears people out less than an extension? If people would not believe your lynch target, why should they believe your cop target?
The few times I've played mafia have been mainly irl. Especially on first day, there's not much point dragging it on forever. On day one, it's pretty difficult to be certain of mafia. Multiple extensions and the attention they require should be used later in the game when we have more information.
In Jim Groovester's example, my target only needed a few votes to lynch, so others must have agreed with me. That person would be the next scummiest (next most scummy?) person. It would make sense for cop to inspect him/her.

Remember that, the more info the town gets, the more info scum get as well.

xny, How many other mafia games have you read before you entered this one? How much time have you spent on the wiki?
Nerjin, If you were scum, and your head was on the chopping block, would you out your partner to save yourself?
ShakeRag, Is there ever a reason to falsely claim to be the cop? What could you gain by doing so?

For a bit of a stranger question, Ford, what do you hope to gain from these three questions?
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Re: BM XXXVII: Welcome to Zombo Mafia - Day 1 - The only limit is yourself
« Reply #56 on: October 14, 2012, 06:19:26 pm »

xny, How many other mafia games have you read before you entered this one? How much time have you spent on the wiki?
Nerjin, If you were scum, and your head was on the chopping block, would you out your partner to save yourself?
ShakeRag, Is there ever a reason to falsely claim to be the cop? What could you gain by doing so?

For a bit of a stranger question, Ford, what do you hope to gain from these three questions?

Insight into how the other players think and how they play the game. And, admittedly, I'm pretty much clueless about what makes for a good RVS question.

In fact, until you asked, I hadn't realized that I should be thinking that far ahead.  :-\

Hmm ... I'll have to put some more thought into my next round of questions.
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Re: BM XXXVII: Welcome to Zombo Mafia - Day 1 - The only limit is yourself
« Reply #57 on: October 14, 2012, 07:22:52 pm »

ShoesandHats, you've posted twice just to answer questions but haven't voted for anyone. Defensiveness is a scumtell. Why aren't you voting? You played in a previous BM so there's no excuse to forget about RVS.

I don't need to vote immediately. I'm trying to figure things out. Even on the first day, you can at least come up with some reason as to why you're voting for someone. What's the problem with answering questions? Sure, I would probably do well to ask some more questions myself, but I don't see what the problem is.

If nobody asks any questions, mafia can lurk without notice. As Jim said, it does you no good to hold back; if we're going to mess this up, might as well gain experience on doing it better. Low activity makes games hard to play or outright kills them.

Your words are very passive and defensive, both scumtells. You seem overly concerned with appearing town, but not actually helping. Very scummy! How do you plan on helping town if you have no questions?
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Re: BM XXXVII: Welcome to Zombo Mafia - Day 1 - The only limit is yourself
« Reply #58 on: October 14, 2012, 07:55:14 pm »

@Jim Groovester: Two questions. 1) Do you have that speech saved somewhere and just copy/paste?  2) On the third day someone who has been showing mafia signs is night-killed. No one else has been showing yet. What do you do?

No, I don't copy/paste it. I think about what I want to say at the beginning of every BM, and then write it all down. It turns out that I end up writing the exact same thing every single game, so I have to add the addendum at the end that people might have seen it before.

I assume by 'mafia signs' you mean scumtells. If a scummy player was nightkilled, I would thank the scum team for doing my work for me, and then I would continue scumhunting.

No. That would only get me killed and them get them killed the next day. I would "out" someone who wasn't scum at all. That way they'd lynch a townie the next day.

Why would anyone believe you when you do that?

Remember that, the more info the town gets, the more info scum get as well.

What information besides who the cop and doctor are is worth withholding so that the scum don't get it?
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Re: BM XXXVII: Welcome to Zombo Mafia - Day 1 - The only limit is yourself
« Reply #59 on: October 14, 2012, 07:59:00 pm »

@Jim Groovester [May I call you Jim?]

The reason they would believe it is that hot-heads prevail. People are lazy creatures. Even if they manage to avoid the trap it would always be in the backround of their mind whispering its siren's song.
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