But I'm getting ahead of myself. Wuba:
In short, your mindset will lose town the game. But, if you're okay with that, then I will gladly vote to lynch you. Would you like to reconsider your answer?[...]
If you steal cards or remove them from my hand, however, I'd prefer not to give them to you (Or maybe I would, it depends on whether you'll use them for the benefit of town).
I am not scum. In case any of you truth-testers be out there. Even if I'm probably going to die tonight. [..] I've nothing to hide. They may test my sentence thoroughly because I am not scum.[...]
However, it is not my job to sit about and declare victory after finding one scum. We must all be ever vigilant.
I find this amount of Town flag waving excessive even by your standards. Oh behold! The saviour of the Town! He has nothing to hide, will tell you his cards if you'll use them for the benefit of Town! Hail the Finder of more than one scum!
Bullshit. You are scum, and this is just posturing.
I don't have anything to hide, and if someone requires a card to do something, then why would I stop it? You've failed your own task: to show I'm scum. Your argument is what exactly? That I'm too Town? Why would I do this as scum? I mean, I haven't even voted yet. There's really no point to make myself a focal point without voting like that. It'd be far too big of a risk. But, that proves nothing, really. Exactly like your argument, except mine makes more sense.
Also, the better question is why haven't you stated a sentence to check? I mean, even if there is a .0001% chance of a truth-teller, would you not make such a sentence? And, undoubtably, there is at least a 1 in 1000000, is there not?
I say this is an utter red herring. Either you know there is no truth teller (say because you sent in such a card but Leafsnail disallowed it), or it's a card you have yourself. By making a big deal out of "a .0001% chance" as you've said, you're deflecting people's attention. I'll play: I am not scum. But I think this is not you actually caring that there's a truth teller, but you stating you are not scum knowing there isn't, but propping up that strawman to give your denial the appearance of credibility.
I only brought it up as an off-chance. So... knowing this... you're saying I knew there was no truth-teller? I'm not sure how you justify your vote here, because, again, you proved nothing. I've never used that as proof I'm town. I don't think it is. I do believe the lack of saying it by Toaster is anti-Town, though.
I'm also starting to wonder where the rumor of me have telepathy or future-sight came from.
Seriously, guys. What is this? This "Do whatever you want" mentality. There's a reason the "Do what I tell you" mentality works. There's a reason the "All follow the plan" mentality works. Likewise, there is a reason the "Multiple separate plans" mentality FAILS.
I'll tell you what this is: fuck you. "Do what I tell you"? Who the fuck are you? You are the fucker that is yelling he's Town at the top of his lungs so they can lead the town down a plan that dooms it. How did it work last time? "Hey all, let's do a D1 mass claim! It'll be good for Town, for realz! Yeah!"
You just took that whole thing completely wrong, and it makes you look like a douchebag. The only thing I'm telling people to do is to not screw up. I'm not telling them how to vote, how to action, or how to do anything that compromises the town. I DID say that when you follow a leader or work together, you are more likely to win. This isn't an opinion. It's pretty easy to prove.
So, clearly, you're mistaken.
No, there is no reason whatsoever to say "the 'all follow the plan' mentality works." It hasn't been shown to work when initiated by a player of uncertain alignment on D1. Sure, come D3 or so, with some data, flips, actions and whatnot, the pieces may be fitted together and a plan then evolve from consensus, but this "y'all shut up and do what I say" has never worked. It'd be foolish to take you at your word, and those who cheer for it (like Toaster) are likely to be invested in the town's downfall.
Wuba, you are scum.
You just made about 6 assumptions, all of which are false. Not only am I generalizing the situation, I'm not telling anyone to do any plan as of yet. The only thing I'm telling people to do is to stop being selfishly involved. Toaster was right in stating that Town should work together. If you don't, you lose. Show me the last game town won with a single person winning it for them.
Now, as for Exodia... I doubt that there are more than those two missing cards, unfortunately. But, I might have a way to stop that...
PPE:
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How on Earth am I overthinking the question? It's a stupid question. I'm trying to make a question that matters. Here's a good one for you:
Indeed. It's a stupid question. You spent most of a post explaining how it was stupid. Why?
I spent a post explaining how a post was stupid. Why? Because it was
stupid. I didn't realize that stupidity was acceptable. If I did something stupid, I would want someone to point it out to me. The number of posts I use to explain its stupidity is irrelevant.
Why do you care about how much I care about what ANYONE asks? If, indeed, it is bad for someone to care about who says what, then why are you concerned over what I said? Do you see the underlying hypocrisy? Or do you not? Because it seems as though public record means nothing to you. I'm free to question anyone about anything they've said, regardless of the recipient. In fact, it should be encouraged, so that people are watching people. No one is allowed to ask stupid question in my game unopposed.
I care because I want to know why you care as much as you do. What purpose does your attention serve?
What. I care what EVERYONE says. If I didn't, I wouldn't be trying. I can't understand how you feel it's acceptable to not care. I'm literally baffled. If I don't stop stupidity while I'm alive, what will you do when I'm dead? Am I supposed to let you do your own thing?
As for your answer, I highly disagree with it. You're selfishly tunnelling someone for your own gain. You've given considerable lack of listening to anyone but yourself. In short, your mindset will lose town the game. But, if you're okay with that, then I will gladly vote to lynch you. Would you like to reconsider your answer?
I am? How did you get me tunneling out of that?
Listen to your answer:
Toaster: Fuck no it wouldn't make me reconsider my position. If I think he's a scummy son of a bitch, the fact that a third party is being dragged into the noose instead of him will not magically make me think that he's less of a scummy son of a bitch.
You are tunneling your target. This means that you are solely focusing on one target, regardless of what others say.
What you want to do is to get me to believe you. This game is an exercise in trust, and figuring out when, where, and how people lie. It's why town never lies: If you tell one lie, what stops people from thinking you're telling another?
This is a pile of shit. Mafia is not an exercise in trust, it is in fact the exact opposite. Nobody can be trusted, least of all people like you who seem to want the town's trust more than you want to find scum. And what's this "town never lies" bullshit? I will point you to Roguelike Mafia 4, wherein Hapah fakeclaimed an Amulet of Preservation that was in fact a Ring of Warning, as well as the goddamn Brooch of the Phoenix which nobody knew about until postgame. Town lying is entirely possible.
You're entirely confused. This game is ALL about trust. Every time you vote, you're trusting someone's argument. You're trusting that everyone is trusting your argument. You are being trusted to help pull your weight. This is not an exercise in lying. You do not win by gaining another person's distrust. You win by getting someone to trust you, and you are trusting them, regardless of what alignment you are.
I never said I deserve the town's trust. I haven't done anything. Do I want the town's trust? Yes. I do. I want everyone's trust. If people trust me, then I am doing well. Not trusting anyone has never resulted in a win.
And I suppose that the town does lie. What I meant was that they do not lie for their own benefit. Any lies that are told are for the Town's benefit.