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[DrPoo]

Hey guys. I love the internet. It has kept me in company(thanks Bay12, and earlier, Facepunch) when i was isolated. It gave me a hobby, a reason to live prosper and love(Thanks Cara). It inspired me to make music(Thanks Marc A. Pullen, and the Sauerbraten team exposing me to his music.).

Hell you guys are awesome.

But sometimes, i see in the news, and in live action too. That people kill themselves, because of trolls on the internet. Recently /b/ ruined a girls life for not delivering nudes to them, to the point where she committed suicide. It has happended before, and it proably will happen in the future too, unless actions are taken against theese, of course. But really? I mean, theres porn sites, why cant they get their nudes from porn sites? Most of them are free, albeit ad-riddled, though. What drives a person to enjoy anonymously, without consequence, destroy another person life? Why, in the name of god/science/nothing/giant-computer-hosting-our-reality/aliens cant theese people find less destructive outlets? Free Healthcare might not be everywhere, here in Denmark, we have it. People can get a psychriatrist, for free, to help them with their issues. The only ways to solve theese problems would be the ones i would hate myself.

My propositions/whatever(wich i hate, myself, too, dont call me a stupid rightie/leftie, since i am politically uncoloured):

Take legal action against Moot for allowing theese things to happen and have his site shut down. This is a very agressive way of solving a problem, kind of like trying to solve that famous knot problem, by hacking it over with a wood ax.

Pass an act deeming imageboards illegal unless they require personal identification. This is slightly less agressive, still i would hate it. This way, people would have to sign up by prooving they are over 18 and filling in personal identification details, faking theese should be a felony. Big fines/banning from using the internet. This way, people raiding, trolling and such, can be banned and contacted personally In Real Life.

Replace janitor team with goverment hired special-pedagogue's who can look up the phone numbers of people and try to fix whatever is wrong(Suicidals asking for advice on killng themselves, people who wants to kill someone/someones pet). This makes me sound like a far-righter soccer mom. But that is my opinion.

I am not a righter, or a christian fundamentalist. Neither am i a leftie, or anti-religious obey-wariohawkins-destroy-marioreligion. The only thing i can identify with myself is that i am against animal cruelty and cultural ignorance, and over-commercialisation of music.

No trolling, offense or anything negative intended. I love you all.

Peace.

[Kilroy the Grand]

There are jerks in real life, there are jerks on the internet. If someone gives out there personal information on the internet, then are surprised when someone abuses that info they're idiots. Whats worse is going to a place like 4chan looking for validation, although it's become far tamer that it used to be.

Also all of your propositions in my opinon are awful.

Take legal action against Moot for allowing theese things to happen and have his site shut down.

As far as I know he enforces his rules, but subboards like /v/ have over a hundred posts a minute, so most threads vanish in minutes.

Pass an act deeming imageboards illegal unless they require personal identification

I'm pretty sure this would violate the first amendment, I sure as hell know it's not friendly to free speech

Replace janitor team with goverment hired special-pedagogue's who can look up the phone numbers of people and try to fix whatever is wrong

I don't think giving a government agency the authority to look up anonymous peoples phone numbers is such a good thing.

You're trading free speech for protecting the feelings of the thinskinned.

[DrPoo]

I said i hate them too, for exactly that reason.
Thing is that ALL teens are thinskinned. People die because of other peoples problems. It sucks.

But using free speech as an excuse for ruining innocent beings sucks too.

What i have discovered about the mind of man is that it is made for either one or another. Either total enslavement or total anarchy. Either you supress yourself/let yourself be supressed, or you wreck their shits. One of the reasons why i sometimes just sit down and cry about how awful the world is.

[Skyrunner]

Pass an act deeming imageboards illegal unless they require personal identification

I'm pretty sure this would violate the first amendment, I sure as hell know it's not friendly to free speech

Replace janitor team with goverment hired special-pedagogue's who can look up the phone numbers of people and try to fix whatever is wrong

I don't think giving a government agency the authority to look up anonymous peoples phone numbers is such a good thing.

You're trading free speech for protecting the feelings of he thinskinned.

Second thing Dr. proposed was actually tried in Korea, in the form of "all message boards require your social security number to register". It was repealed by the Supreme Court recently, because it didn't make much of a difference.

[DrPoo]

*quote mess*
That one got fucked up. Stupid forum/me lets try again.

Pass an act deeming imageboards illegal unless they require personal identification

I'm pretty sure this would violate the first amendment, I sure as hell know it's not friendly to free speech

Replace janitor team with goverment hired special-pedagogue's who can look up the phone numbers of people and try to fix whatever is wrong

I don't think giving a government agency the authority to look up anonymous peoples phone numbers is such a good thing.

You're trading free speech for protecting the feelings of he thinskinned.

Second thing Dr. proposed was actually tried in Korea, in the form of "all message boards require your social security number to register". It was repealed by the Supreme Court recently, because it didn't make much of a difference.

Really? Oh. Stupid me :saddowns:

There.

[Kilroy the Grand]

I believe in personal responsibility, that people should be more self-sufficient. I disagree with anything that limits free speech.

Either total enslavement or total anarchy. Either you supress yourself/let yourself be supressed, or you wreck their shits.

Really? You honestly believe that you either have to be a pussy, or you have to backstab and kill anyone in your way?

There is a difference between tolerance and acceptance, Assertiveness and selfishness.

Sitting down and crying about how awful the world is doesn't accomplish jackshit, if you honestly think the world is such a horrible place how about you do something about it instead of whining?

[kaijyuu]

I'll just pop in and point out that the main problem with GIFT isn't the anonymity part, but the audience part. Douchebags that are out for a laugh and to assert their perceived superiority won't stop to harass someone unless there's an audience to do it in front of. Internet bullies are really no different than real life ones, except they're usually older.

I disagree with anything that limits free speech.

Really? Anything? Or was that a bit of hyperbole?

[Kilroy the Grand]

I'll just pop in and point out that the main problem with GIFT isn't the anonymity part, but the audience part. Douchebags that are out for a laugh and to assert their perceived superiority won't stop to harass someone unless there's an audience to do it in front of. Internet bullies are really no different than real life ones, except they're usually older.

I disagree with anything that limits free speech.

Really? Anything? Or was that a bit of hyperbole?

I'm pretty tired right now, I've only gotten about 2 hours of sleep in the last two days. That has afforded me a special kind of clarity, one that has far fewer inhibitions, one bereft of what most would call "giving a shit".

Almost everything, I'm sure there is probably some obscure fact you'll dig up about nazis raping puppies or something to make me look like an idiot.

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Listening to convoy while being this tired is an interesting experience

[kaijyuu]

Well, simple harassment. It's not really all that obscure.

Free speech shouldn't cover repeatedly telling someone who's gay that they're evil. Free speech shouldn't limit laws concerning stuff like putting burning crosses on black people's lawns to just property damage. Stuff like that.


The line between "harassment" and simply lacking tact gets pretty fuzzy I'll admit, but once harassment has been established, I do think we can agree that a person's right to not get harassed outweighs the other person's right to free speech.

[Kilroy the Grand]

Well, simple harassment. It's not really all that obscure.

Free speech shouldn't cover repeatedly telling someone who's gay that they're evil. Free speech shouldn't limit laws concerning stuff like putting burning crosses on black people's lawns to just property damage. Stuff like that.


The line between "harassment" and simply lacking tact gets pretty fuzzy I'll admit, but once harassment has been established, I do think we can agree that a person's right to not get harassed outweighs the other person's right to free speech.

I agree with that. I don't believe someones rights should supersede another persons.

[Loud Whispers]

That people kill themselves, because of trolls on the internet. Recently /b/ ruined a girls life for not delivering nudes to them, to the point where she committed suicide.

1. Don't go on /b/ if you can't handle the literal worst of the worst shits out there.
2. If you for some mad reason want to go on /b/, never get rid of your anonymity. Uploading images/docs will make you a target to the more malicious people out there.
3. If you for some mad reason want to go on /b/ AND TAUNT THE MALICIOUS FUCKS, don't upload an image of yourself with all of the Exif data attached.

I don't know what she expected to come out of the whole ordeal. It's like taunting a tiger that likes killing people.

Take legal action against Moot for allowing theese things to happen and have his site shut down. This is a very agressive way of solving a problem, kind of like trying to solve that famous knot problem, by hacking it over with a wood ax.

This ignores the DMCA. Anti-piracy fanatics would have a field day shutting down all the websites they don't like.

Pass an act deeming imageboards illegal unless they require personal identification. This is slightly less agressive, still i would hate it. This way, people would have to sign up by prooving they are over 18 and filling in personal identification details, faking theese should be a felony. Big fines/banning from using the internet. This way, people raiding, trolling and such, can be banned and contacted personally In Real Life.

I would never get rid of anonymity for the sake of protecting people's feelings. And banning use from the internet is a horrific thing.

Do note that even on /b/ (which you need to be 18 to view), there are rules - and one of those is to never post docs.

Replace janitor team with goverment hired special-pedagogue's who can look up the phone numbers of people and try to fix whatever is wrong(Suicidals asking for advice on killng themselves, people who wants to kill someone/someones pet). This makes me sound like a far-righter soccer mom. But that is my opinion.

Government regulated internet with the power to spy on everyone. Why would this be bad?


In the UK someone was sent to prison for trolling.
All is adequate.

[King DZA]

People are bullied into suicide outside of the internet as well, but I don't think that's justification to have the entire population be oppressed and spied on because of it.

The fact of the matter is, sad shit happens all the time. And as upsetting as it is, it was ultimately the girl's own choices that lead to her suicide. Perhaps the solution here is to do what we can to empower and support people so that they are not as affected by the shenanigans of the random assholes in the world (which would simultaneously lower the number of assholes in the world we actually have to deal with), rather than trying to put everyone on a leash to make sure they play nice together.

[DrPoo]

People are bullied into suicide outside of the internet as well, but I don't think that's justification to have the entire population be oppressed and spied on because of it.

The fact of the matter is, sad shit happens all the time. And as upsetting as it is, it was ultimately the girl's own choices that lead to her suicide. Perhaps the solution here is to do what we can to empower and support people so that they are not as affected by the shenanigans of the random assholes in the world (which would simultaneously lower the number of assholes in the world we actually have to deal with), rather than trying to put everyone on a leash to make sure they play nice together.

There.

I just want some sort of action to be taken against theese things. Not only this.
Also child pornography and animal cruelty.

In the end, it can all be runned down to the ashole's own personal issues, wich is why i think we should emphasise a bit more on raising people in an enviroment that dosent turn them into assholes. Of course that is impossible, since it involves eradicating crime.

[kaijyuu]

going to a place like 4chan looking for validation

1. Don't go on /b/ if you can't handle the literal worst of the worst shits out there.

On these two points:


I've mixed feelings. One one hand, it's good advice. On the other, it doesn't excuse the people being jackasses.

It's sort of like saying "don't walk down a dark alley at 3 am if you don't want to get mugged." It's good advice, yes, but it doesn't excuse the mugger nor give reason to blame the victim.

Same goes for people getting harassed and looking for friends in the wrong places.

[Glowcat]

going to a place like 4chan looking for validation

1. Don't go on /b/ if you can't handle the literal worst of the worst shits out there.

On these two points:


I've mixed feelings. One one hand, it's good advice. On the other, it doesn't excuse the people being jackasses.

It's sort of like saying "don't walk down a dark alley at 3 am if you don't want to get mugged." It's good advice, yes, but it doesn't excuse the mugger nor give reason to blame the victim.

Same goes for people getting harassed and looking for friends in the wrong places.

Yes. Yet somehow the victim is getting the blame here because "she's thin-skinned" as if there's absolutely no way depression could get to somebody and make them act irrationally during a bad part of their life. I'm pretty sure all the misogynistic assholes who thought it'd be hilarious to demand nude pics from a woman, and even harassed her for it, believe they're not at fault, but that's just the kind of attitude that makes me despise the /b/ culture.