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[Leafsnail]

If their beliefs were reversed, you can be assured it would be called a hate crime (which is a term I absolutely despise, as it has become merely a vessel for double standards)

Actually, no it wouldn't.  It'd still be politically motivated violence.  You're getting confused because if a gay person were shot for being gay, then yes, that woud be a hate crime.  Being gay isn't a political belief.

[alway]

Of course he hasn't called it a hate crime; the police have yet to determine the full story, and more importantly:

Prosecutors said they are still investigating the motive behind the shooting, and the motive could determine whether Corkins is charged with domestic terrorism or hate crimes.

The president probably doesn't want to be calling it one thing if they end up charging him with another.

[freeformschooler]

Prosecutors said they are still investigating the motive behind the shooting, and the motive could determine whether Corkins is charged with domestic terrorism or hate crimes.

The president probably doesn't want to be calling it one thing if they end up charging him with another.

True. But wait, are they mutually exclusive or no? I'm not a legal guy. TRUEAN

[Bdthemag]

There's not exactly a war on Christianity, but the bigotry towards it is astounding.

The irony I find in this statement is amusing.

And the irony in yours seems to be lost on you

I'm just pointing out saying that "The bigotry towards Christianity is astounding" is a completely silly thing to say. There is little "Bigotry" towards Christianity, and more or less annoyance towards it.

[Prometheusmfd]

There's not exactly a war on Christianity, but the bigotry towards it is astounding.

The irony I find in this statement is amusing.

And the irony in yours seems to be lost on you

I'm just pointing out saying that "The bigotry towards Christianity is astounding" is a completely silly thing to say. There is little "Bigotry" towards Christianity, and more or less annoyance towards it.

There is a distinct double standard towards it: it's persecuted (for lack of a better word) for it's beliefs about homosexuals, but other religions with similar views, such as Islam, don't get nearly as much.

If their beliefs were reversed, you can be assured it would be called a hate crime (which is a term I absolutely despise, as it has become merely a vessel for double standards)

Actually, no it wouldn't.  It'd still be politically motivated violence.  You're getting confused because if a gay person were shot for being gay, then yes, that woud be a hate crime.  Being gay isn't a political belief.

Ok, granted, I'm using it as a bit of a blanket term, but the concept is still the same: If a conservative had shot a liberal, the reactions would be a lot more extreme towards both parties.

[Svarte Troner]

Are you really saying Muslims are less persecuted in the United States than Christians?

[MetalSlimeHunt]

This is just weird. 15 Chik-fil-a sandwiches in his backpack? The hell?

There is a distinct double standard towards it: it's persecuted (for lack of a better word) for it's beliefs about homosexuals, but other religions with similar views, such as Islam, don't get nearly as much.

That's because most nations with large Islamic populations don't afford any rights to homosexuals, where as the cultural attitude of the West has challenged the Christian-backed oppression of homosexuals. If the US was 10 or 20% Muslim instead of the current 1%, it would show up in the news more.

[Criptfeind]

Christianity is simply more applicable to the majority of people who you interact with. Islam does not have nearly the grip that Christianity does in America. Or pretty much anywhere else in the western world. Which is why it is talked about more. And you are flat wrong that people don't view Islam as backwards for the same things it does wrong as Christianity. Once Islam starts causing so many issues for people in America, you will be sure Americans will react just as poorly.

And what reaction. Are you saying people are supporting this guy? We get wackjobs all the time doing shit all the time. Hell, this guy is probably getting more attention then he deserves because his side attacking is so rare.

[penguinofhonor]

Hate crime laws exist for two reasons:

1. The majority attacking the minority has the potential to do greater damage through terrorizing the entire community. This shooting won't make anyone in the straight community fear for their lives. Hell, it's incredibly obvious in this discussion. The most important topic isn't whether there will be more pro-gay shootings, because nobody's afraid of that. Nobody has mentioned that so far. Anti-gay shootings are entirely different in their ability to silence and terrify whole communities because the members of the gay community know they're under the constant threat of the same thing happening to them.

2. Normal laws against violence do not adequately protect minorities. If you just have blanket laws against lynchings, somehow blacks end up getting lynched an awful lot. If you have laws against assault, gays still end up getting assaulted disproportionately more than straights. The laws are meant to act as a deterrent, but in the cases of minorities, they don't sufficiently deter crimes.

[Prometheusmfd]

Christianity is simply more applicable to the majority of people who you interact with. Islam does not have nearly the grip that Christianity does in America. Or pretty much anywhere else in the western world. Which is why it is talked about more. And you are flat wrong that people don't view Islam as backwards for the same things it does wrong as Christianity. Once Islam starts causing so many issues for people in America, you will be sure Americans will react just as poorly.

And what reaction. Are you saying people are supporting this guy? We get wackjobs all the time doing shit all the time. Hell, this guy is probably getting more attention then he deserves because his side attacking is so rare.

I'm not going to say this is the only incident. And it's a lot more subtle than other bigotry. But it's there, and it needs to be treated like any other forms.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

2. Normal laws against violence do not adequately protect minorities. If you just have blanket laws against lynchings, somehow blacks end up getting lynched an awful lot. If you have laws against assault, gays still end up getting assaulted disproportionately more than straights. The laws are meant to act as a deterrent, but in the cases of minorities, they don't sufficiently deter crimes.

But can you demonstrate that stacking on hate crime legislation acts as a deterrent? If it can't, then it doesn't do anything for minorities.

[Bdthemag]

Christianity is simply more applicable to the majority of people who you interact with. Islam does not have nearly the grip that Christianity does in America. Or pretty much anywhere else in the western world. Which is why it is talked about more. And you are flat wrong that people don't view Islam as backwards for the same things it does wrong as Christianity. Once Islam starts causing so many issues for people in America, you will be sure Americans will react just as poorly.

And what reaction. Are you saying people are supporting this guy? We get wackjobs all the time doing shit all the time. Hell, this guy is probably getting more attention then he deserves because his side attacking is so rare.

I'm not going to say this is the only incident. And it's a lot more subtle than other bigotry. But it's there, and it needs to be treated like any other forms.

Their is literally a very small amount of bigotry towards Christianity. People are very rarely shunned for being Christian, sure there may be religious and political arguments between people about the various beliefs of Christianity but that's certainly not "bigotry". What do you think is going to get a worse reaction in a school, a kid claiming he's Christian or a kid claiming he's Atheist?

[Leafsnail]

There is a distinct double standard towards it: it's persecuted (for lack of a better word) for it's beliefs about homosexuals, but other religions with similar views, such as Islam, don't get nearly as much.

I'll try finding you some better words.  My initial ideas are "challenged" and "called out on".  Homophobia in Islam isn't talked about so much in the US because it's something of a minority and thus isn't remotely as relevant.

Ok, granted, I'm using it as a bit of a blanket term, but the concept is still the same: If a conservative had shot a liberal, the reactions would be a lot more extreme towards both parties.

You say this without basis.

[Heron TSG]

@Prometheusmfd - If it makes you feel better, I dislike all bigoted religions equally. Yours just tends to be more vocal about it. And fie upon thee for claiming persecution. The strong dislike I feel for your religion doesn't deny you rights. It doesn't cause people to try to shame you for having a sex life. It doesn't cause people to try to 'cure' you by sending you to re-education centers. It's just a constant opposition to your beliefs.

The man who committed this crime was off his rocker.

[penguinofhonor]

2. Normal laws against violence do not adequately protect minorities. If you just have blanket laws against lynchings, somehow blacks end up getting lynched an awful lot. If you have laws against assault, gays still end up getting assaulted disproportionately more than straights. The laws are meant to act as a deterrent, but in the cases of minorities, they don't sufficiently deter crimes.

But can you demonstrate that stacking on hate crime legislation acts as a deterrent? If it can't, then it doesn't do anything for minorities.

That's a good question. I'll search up some sources.